Talk:Ladan and Laleh Bijani
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Well, Dr. Loo, does say[1], "Professor Ben Carson and Dr Keith Goh continued to dissect the brain which was harder than we had anticipated because they had been together for 29 years." Isn't that a reference to the sticking together? I know that wasn't what killed them, but I was only giving that as a reason for the difficulty of the operation rather than a reason for its outcome. Okay, so maybe that wasn't the main difficulty, but I expect it should probably be mentioned anyway... -- Oliver P. 17:51 8 Jul 2003 (UTC)
- I guess it depends on if you think "harder" applies to the doctors or the twins. To my mind, what made it hardest for the twins is what killed them: the inability to provide functional venous drainage (attempts at which, reading between the lines, caused DIC, hemorrhage, and death) rather than the doctors spending a bit more time in surgery - doctors who were really foolish if they really DIDN'T anticipate the "sticking together". No problem with adding the fact that the brains required more time to separate than would have been needed in newborns, but didn't want to imply that that had anything to do with the outcome. -- Someone else 18:05 8 Jul 2003 (UTC)
Okay, that sounds sensible. I suppose the sentence did sound misleading, as it was before. But argh! too much medical talk! I'm going to have to run away now... -- Oliver P. 18:50 8 Jul 2003 (UTC)
- Better talk than pictures! <G> -- Someone else 19:03 8 Jul 2003 (UTC)
I just wanted to say my heart goes out to the Bijani family and to Iranian people on the sensible loss of the Bijani Twins. Im a Puerto Rican living in the United States, and , regardless of political or religious views, this is a sad day for everyone who was wishing them well and we should all join and pray for their souls. Since I started writing this page, I declare it officially dedicated to the memory of Ladan and Laleh Bijani.
- Why would it possibly matter what your political or religious views are? Would the Bijanis not appreciate your condolences because you aren't Islamic nor an Iranian national. I think not. dave 07:07 10 Jul 2003 (UTC)
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- Leave Antonio alone. This page is for discussing the article on Ladan and Laleh Bijani, not for stirring up inter-Wikipedian conflicts. -- Oliver P. 01:15 11 Jul 2003 (UTC)
Thanks, Oliver. This Dave doesnt seem to get what Im saying. All Im saying is that Christians, Muslims, whatever, Jews, Buddhists...everyone who wanted them to survive should save a prayer for their souls.
- That's right I don't get what you are saying. But anyways, "regardless of political or religious views", I'll drop the issue with you. dave 14:37 11 Jul 2003 (UTC)
For no real reason, I declare this talk page officially dedicated to the memory of User:AntonioMartin for being such a nice guy ;). MB 20:38 8 Jul 2003 (UTC)
- You dedicate it to his memory? Why? Did he just die as well? Branden 21:23 8 Jul 2003 (UTC)
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- I sure hope not, but he will eventually. MB 22:52 8 Jul 2003 (UTC)
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- Not necessarily. See quantum immortality. :) -- Oliver P. 21:59 9 Jul 2003 (UTC)
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The article made a one-phrase reference to professions they both enjoy. What were they? Because I think we can't define them for being conjoined. Look around, all biography-article here state the person's occupation(s) in the first sentence, or at least the intro.
Also, I don't feel like I know who they are at all, except in regards to their twinship. --Menchi 18:28 10 Jul 2003 (UTC)
- I recall hearing that they were lawyers, and that one of them didn't particularly like it, and that that in part led to the decision to attempt the surgery. But I don't have a reference to check my memory with. -- Someone else 01:18 11 Jul 2003 (UTC)
Great additions, Oliver, now their motivation's clearer. --Menchi 02:32 11 Jul 2003 (UTC)
- Thanks. :) -- Oliver P. 02:40 11 Jul 2003 (UTC)
Separation done at 14:30? I mean, how long after the surgery did they die? It wasn't instantaneous, one assumes. --Menchi 21:11 12 Jul 2003 (UTC)
- According to this they were separated at 1330 and died at 1430 and 1600 respectively. whkoh 03:18 13 Jul 2003 (UTC)
I don't think we, as Wikipedia, can judge the surgery as "unsuccessful". It sounds like the doctors were experimenting on her and killed her because they sucked. The separation surgery proper did complete. They died at least an hour after separated. I'm not saying this qualify as a "success" either, but clearly, it is not a clear case. --Menchi 07:34 13 Jul 2003 (UTC)
- huh? The term unsuccessful, as used here, means "they died due to complications of surgery. Thus the surgery was unsuccessful". If they died an hour after the surgery, barring any previous illnesses they may have had, or natural disasters, you can be certain to within 99.99999% that it was in some way related to the surgery. Thus, the surgery was unsuccessful. dave 20:29 13 Jul 2003 (UTC)
