Talk:La Mon restaurant bombing

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The names of those killed in this incident was removed in accordance with Wikipedia policy, but for those interested, it can still be seen at: Previous version, including list of names --Jackyd101 18:10, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

I believe it to be utterly stupid that Wikipedia think it wrong to not include such important facts. Oh well, what can I do? --172.141.30.128 22:19, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Terrorist

The term terrorist is POV and should be removed from the article, a number of editors have done this but Astrotrain keeps reinserting it. Can we come ot a consensus on this issue.--Vintagekits 21:53, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

The event has been described as a terrorist event frequently. This will be included in the article with a reference. Vintage is correct in so far as this Fact should be supported with evidence. I'm not sure about consenus as this page should be used to establish one, not edit-waring. Weggie 22:34, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
I agree with Weggie. "Terrorist" as spoken from the article persona is POV (in this respect, Vintage is indeed correct (I think that's the first time I've ever said that)), but it's not when references are provided. Logoistic 23:07, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
I can provide a reference to say that they are "freedom fighters" - I am sure that will be OK with you then. However, in this case terrorist and freedom fighter are loaded terms and POV--Vintagekits 23:13, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
Yes, if there is a debate freedom fighter is as weasel as terrorist. Whatever our personal pov's wikipedia comes first and demands neutrality, and especially in political situations in which both sides suffer, SqueakBox 23:38, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
There is a very simple solution to this problem. In the lead part of the article about the bombing, there should be no mention of the perpetrators except as members of the Provisional Irish Republican Army. Then, in a later section, there should be a brief mention of reactions to the event including sourced mention of the phrases terrorists and/or freedom fighters. Neither term should be given precedence over the other and this section (unlike the description of events) can include sourced reference to dictionary definitions and/or to government categorisations of the organisation as a whole. Sources should be from mainstream reputable news organisations or authors, not from biased or fringe commentators. It is actually irrelevant whether this incident fits a dictionary or Wikipedia definition of terrorism or not, since there are clearly strong opinions on both sides and no one wins with a lengthy and destructive edit war over choice of words. Contributors from both sides of the divide should be aware that pushing the POV that the perpetators of the bombing were either terrorists/freedom fighters is both disingenous and harmful to the article and Wikipedia as a whole. --Jackyd101 23:48, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
The article should conform to the following guideline: WP:NPOV#Undue_weight Weggie 23:55, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
Which side are you suggesting has/might have undue weight?--Jackyd101 00:09, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
'NPOV says that the article should fairly represent all significant viewpoints that have been published by a verifiable source, and should do so in proportion to the prominence of each.' Removing terrorism or atrocity altogether as some appear to want would not meet this guideline as a stack of reputable sources use these words. This not POV but reflecting the documented reaction to the event and the assessment of those who have commented on this event. I would suggest the best way of doing this is to use their words, i.e. quotes Weggie 00:25, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Northern Ireland

Shouldnt we change the title to La Mon Restaurant Bombing (Northern Ireland) as I assumed the article was about an atrocity ( a nice pov word for any type of murder, IMO) in France or thereabouts, which shows my ignorance but I we are writing for the ignorant (ie those who dont know abou this topic and want to learn). Anyway, just an idea, will only do if there is consensus, SqueakBox 23:38, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

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