Talk:L’Oréal
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[edit] Vichy stuff
I think that the past political and criminal activities of Bettencourt, Schueller etc. should be mentioned, but should not take too much room — they are already documented at length in the pages related to these individuals. David.Monniaux 06:28, 1 Apr 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Vichy stuff - The individuals put La Cagoule into L'Oréal in many ways over at least 70 years
This perspective, of leaving La Cagoule out of the L'Oréal story, is not neutral when the individuals used the company as the vehicle for these activities in so many different ways, over so much time. It's not just that the money came from this company. The company founder, Eugene Schueller, actually held the meetings at L'Oréal corporate headquarters in the 1920's and 1930's. In the 1950's, L'Oréal hired at least a dozen war criminals and their families, including in particular La Cagoule agents. Schueller passed ownership of L'Oréal to another La Cagoule agent, Andre Bettencourt (who also married Schueller's daughter Liliane Bettencourt née Schueller). Under Bettencourt, a convicted war criminal and high-ranking La Cagoule agent, Jacques Correze, became the president of Cosmair, and when a scandal erupted, L'Oréal's PR department worked to conceal the full extent of L'Oréal's connection to La Cagoule and of Correze's identity and past. La Cagoule is part of the L'Oréal story, because everyone involved put La Cagoule into L'Oréal. Look at it this way - if Schueller had won his money in the lottery and financed La Cagoule, the lottery wouldn't be part of the story. But it's not merely where the money came from. L'Oréal's ownership and management have put La Cagoule into the company in so many ways that it's not possible to truthfully tell the stories of either La Cagoule, or L'Oréal, without mentioning the other. Twestgard
- Just a side note: you are not forced to say La Cagoule, you can say the Cagoule — La simply meaning "The" in the feminine. David.Monniaux 16:45, 1 Apr 2005 (UTC)
La Cagoule may well have been an anti-democratic, far-right, traitorous organization with Nazi sympathies, which during the Occupation collaborated with the Nazis (though the Cagoule Web page says that some collaborated and some resisted) but it is bizarre to call it "collaborationist" when talking about activities in the 1920's and 1930's for the simple reason that "collaboration" only makes sense in the context of the Occupation. It is also bizarre to say nothing about what happened during the war. --Macrakis 02:31, 7 Apr 2005 (UTC)
- Macrakis, I see the problem you point to, with use of the word "collaboration." To the extent it works, it's because there was some degree of cooperation before the actual occupation began. Do you think there's a different word that works better? Also, as you point out, the article needs to describe how the organization was dissolved and how many of the participants went on into a new group. I'll probably get to that in the near future. Twestgard
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- How about "French fascist group with Nazi sympathies"? As for more on La Cagoule, there is a separate page for them. What should be on the L'Oreal page is what is specific to L'Oreal's relationship with them. Of course, if there was actual collaboration between L'Oreal management and the Nazi occupiers during the war, that should be mentioned, as should the connections with convicted war criminals, if they are systematic. And it seems to me that Schueller's activities during the war were more heinous than just having meetings at his office.... --Macrakis 22:41, 7 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Frankly outraged not a single mention of their shameful and duboius conduct during the war.
[edit] Luxury Products Division
For L OREAL GROUP as from April 2005 the new president of Luxury Products is Marc Menesguen and not any more Gilles Weil.Themis
The Luxury Products Division is divided into separate groups. Specialty Brands Group contains Kiehl's Since 1851, Shu Uemura, and Armani Beauty. The president of SBG is Chris Salgardo.
[edit] History section
The history sections seems a bit gushy like it's lifted from the company's PR department. An effort should be made to make it more neutral. Also, what's the history of the "L'Oreal" name? It's not mentioned in the entry. --68.103.154.140 06:58, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Animal Testing
Shouldn't a mention be made of L'Oreal's policy of animal testing be included. It is significant and would contribute to the articleBorgawitz 00:20, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
I agree, it's certainly an area of interest. I also believe that some UK students are boycotting L'Oreal as part of the long running anti - Nestle boycott. Saluton 18:02, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Brand Section
Almost all the links are external. Perhaps these should be moved to external links at the bottom, otherwise internal links should be created for articles relating to each brand.
- Did Sei Shonagon 16:55, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
[edit] "currently"
The article uses the word "current" several times, such as "the board members are currently x and y." Could someone add in the relevant dates? Cause otherwise it doesn't make much sense. Jessicapierce 00:07, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
