Talk:Kwame Nkrumah
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"While lecturing in political science at Lincoln he was elected president of the African Students Organization of America and Canada." am i missing something, or should that say 'studying in political science'. decided not to change it myself incase he was actually lecturing, but it is contradictory to be a lecturer and head of a student organization..
Hi, I'm Giulia from Italy. I found an error in the link with "panafrican congress": actually the link leads to a panafrican party which has nothing to do with W.E.B Dubois's (and Nkrumah's) Panafrican Congresses.--131.114.116.44 20:26, 28 Nov 2004 (UTC)
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Nice article! Is it possible to subdivide it a little more for reading ease, though?
Dvyost 04:55, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Erm...
He was a marxist.
He was a dictator.
He did lead his country to ruin.
He did die in exile.
These are undisputed matters of historical fact. Surely you cannot disagree?
jucifer 06:51, 1 August 2005 (UTC)
- Please don't mix your POV in with plain fact and then insist I accept all or none of it. Also, please read up on Wikipedia's NPOV policy if you haven't already. Everyking 07:04, 1 August 2005 (UTC)
- We don't use dictator, even for more obvious examples, for NPOV reasons. Pitching Marxist in the leading paragraph with your other POV tells me you are not sympathetic to Marxism. The ruin is debateable. die in exile - your implication is that it was in disgrace. It was not. Wizzy…☎ 07:09, August 1, 2005 (UTC)
a) 'Marxist' is not pejorative. It is plainly irrelevant how I feel about marxism. Marxism is a philosophy which braodly - he held by, ipso facto, he was a marxist.
- Thanks for the clarification. Putting it in the same sentence as your other additions, however, implies something different.
b)Who are "we" that don't use dictator? "I" do! I have read the NPOV guidelines and see nothing there to suggest that someone who subverts democracy, concentrates all power in his own hands and rules by DICTAT is a DICTATor. Indeed: the article mentions that he named himself "life president". Thw wiki article on life president reads "President for Life is a title assumed by some dictators". I even used the phrase politician-cum-dictator to describe his progression. Can you think of a different way to describe him?
- "We" is thrashed out on many pages, but best summarised on Talk:List of dictators.
c) When he took over the country from the British it was the wealthiest state in sub saharan africa and had a $1bn surplus and life expectancy of 57. When he left it was deep in forign debt, had gnp per capita of <$300, was one of the poorest countries in SSA and had a life expectancy of less than 40. That is was I call a ruinous rule.
- Add the statistics, certainly, further down the page, or on Economy of Ghana, backed up with references. That is was I call.. - leave that bit out.
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- If you know the details, and feel like some cleanup work, I feel that Economy of Ghana could use headings, and a good cleanup.
d)I don't feel "die in exile" implies disgrace. It is a fact, it is not even a selective fact, but quite a basic one
I NEVER insisted you accept all or none of it, I actually explitily suggested that they be address individually.
- Then add the facts, individually, to relevant sections of the page, or Economy of Ghana, so they can be addressed individually.
jucifer 07:41, 1 August 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Africa !=Ghana
Although I agree it's a good article, I feel there are some ignorant pieces of text here and there especially in respect to Ghana. Although there are minor pieces of text in terms of character count and position, I feel it would only be more scholarly and more logical to edit these pieces of text.
In the Education and Early Life Section..there's a phrase: "In 1935 he left Africa for the USA," and also the Return to "Africa" section
You should already know that Africa as a whole is a big continent made up of many different countries, it would be appreciated if you could be a little bit more specific about what part of Africa you are talking about...specifically a country...specifically Ghana(or the Gold Coast as it was formerly called)
Thank you.
- Replied on User talk:Crazyibeaji Wizzy…☎ 08:31, 29 September 2005 (UTC)
[edit] List of dictators
You may wish to edit this entry in List of dictators. Wizzy…☎ 08:41, 8 December 2005 (UTC)
- Checked it out--looks like a fair summary of his actions from what I can tell. --Dvyost 09:00, 8 December 2005 (UTC)
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- Seems reasonable. He seems to have been a dictator in anyones books. President for life and all, one party state. You could possible argue that he was somehow benevolent. But either way, still dictator. Charlotte Hobbs 14:48, 8 December 2005 (UTC)
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[edit] Remove POV
He believed that capitalism effects were going to stay with Africa for a long time. Gotta change that one around a bit. Capitalism effect presumed to be malign =POV Charlotte Hobbs 14:51, 8 December 2005 (UTC)
Also, I think the idea that the CIA sponsored the Coup is a rumour, not fact. At least my Politics of Development lecturer said so.
[edit] Education
Can anyone positively confirm that Nkrumah had an earned doctorate from the London School of Economics? I have not been able to find an indisputable source for this. The German-language version of this article says he did, but I did not find a dissertation written by Nkrumah in the LSE library. (So I will alter that in the German version, if I can.) That same article has a photo of Nkrumah receiving an honorary doctorate from Humboldt University in the old communist East Berlin. (So, I will add that to the list in the main, English-language article.)
But still, did Nkrumah have an earned doctorate (i.e. one for which he wrote a dissertation)? One scholar claims that he went by "Dr. Nkrumah" because of his honorary doctorate from Lincoln University. Mary E. Montgomery, "The Eyes of the World were Watching: Ghana, Great Britain, and the United States" (Ph.D. diss., University of Maryland, 2004), p. 20, n. 10. -- Poldy Bloom 21:53, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
On a similar note, shouldn't we just dump the whole "honorary degrees" paragraph? I mean, no one in the world cares who you got an HONORARY degree from...--jackbrown
