User talk:Ksy92003/Archive-Mar2007

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Contents 1 Userpage 2 Re: NHL Team Season Articles 3 RE:baseball 4 MLB season articles 5 NHL Season-by-Team Articles 6 Team Articles 7 2006-07 New Jersey Devils season up for deletion! 8 NHL team season infobox 9 MLB team season 10 MLB season pages 11 Template:MLB yearly infobox 12 Re: 2007 New York Mets season 13 Re: 2007 Major League Baseball season 14 Re: uniformity 15 Thank You 16 Your signature 17 Re: 2007 San Diego Padres season 18 2006 St. Louis Cardinals season 19 Retrosheet 20 Los Angeles Kings 21 Well, I wanna tell you something about Wikipedia. 21.1 Responde 22 Works for me

[edit] Userpage

As someone who has been editing on the Wikipedia for awhile (2 years in mid-January), it gets pretty easy to spot the links that I know go to disambiguation pages. Disambiguation is something that most Wikipedians don't really pay much attention to but should, because even some things that you'd think would be unique such as Signal Hill Elementary School are not unique. Because there are at least five other SHES's in North America, the article on the local school is at Signal Hill Elementary School (Signal Hill, California).

Since you live in Long Beach, you might be interested in the Southern California WikiProject. There is also a WikiProject for Pokémon, and another for Ice Hockey.

If you have any questions about the Wikipedia, or need any help, please feel free to contact me. ^BlankVerse 10:41, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Re: NHL Team Season Articles

Absolutely! I started this hoping that others would pick up on the idea for their own teams. I am hoping that we can come up with a quality standard layout across all teams. With that in mind, please add any suggestions you have to 2005-06 Calgary Flames season. I look forward to seeing what you come up with for the Kings articles. Resolute 22:26, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

Looks good so far! I've categorized it and added a link to the Kings article. Resolute 05:07, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

The upcoming games preview is an interesting idea. My personal preference is to simply show the full schedule, but go with what works for you. Incidentally, I created a new template for the 2006-07 season: {{2006-07 NHL season by team}}. Resolute 17:38, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

It will take time for others to catch onto the concept. I am certain that people will slowly start filling in other teams as time goes on. Resolute 18:43, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

I hope your school schedule lightens (I just got done with my semester, so I'm sure I'll be doing a lot of editing in the next month or so) and you'll be able to make some more substantial contributions to these articles again soon. Skudrafan1 21:56, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

Just in case you didn't notice, I went through and changed "Current Team" in all the Free Agents Lost tables to "New Team". The reasoning is that these pages are going to up for years to come, and these moved players will undoubtedly move to other teams -- no longer making the teams which signed them in free agency in the 2006 offseason their "Current" teams. I'm just letting you know, so you can incorporate this change into any future team articles you create (hockey or baseball). Skudrafan1 05:24, 26 December 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, I don't know why I hadn't thought about it until just tonight, either. While I was changing the others, I discovered that the pages Resolute created all already had "New Team" as the heading instead of "Current Team"... I guess I need to strive to be as smart as he is! Skudrafan1 05:32, 26 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] RE:baseball

Major League teams? Honestly, I've never really followed one with too much zeal. I grew up in the Buffalo area, which (since the only two major sports there are football and hockey) isn't much of a breeding ground for Major League Baseball fans. I like the sport, and have held season tickets for our local minor league team (the Jamestown Jammers) in the past, but I've never followed a Major League team very closely. That being said, I do have knowledge of MLB (given the fact that my TV is pretty much constantly on ESPN, ESPN2, ESPNEWS, MSG, the YES Network, or some other sports channel), so if you're looking to work on some sort of baseball project, I could probably be of assistance. Skudrafan1 05:25, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

Oh, and I meant to mention this: I am on a semi-break from Wikipedia, as I am visiting my parents for the holidays. I'll be here until the first week of January, and they are still running dial-up (ugh) and doing substantial wiki-work is out of the question. I will still be around, here and there, but don't be alarmed when you see me letting some of the NHL season articles fall a little bit behind. Skudrafan1 05:31, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] MLB season articles

I'm all for MLB season articles. There already are some for the Minnesota Twins but I'm not sure if any others have followed suit. I'm definitely planning on starting that trend for the New York Mets next season. Count me in. —Wknight94 (talk) 02:33, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

Try Template:MNTwinsYearly. I honestly haven't looked at those articles to see if it would be a good idea to mimic them. Feel free to strike out on your own. Oh, there's an article for the 1986 New York Mets as well. —Wknight94 (talk) 02:41, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

BTW, I also thought it would be a good idea to include transactions between 2006 and 2007 in a 2007 article. New York Mets was swarmed with transaction info, esp. when the new GM Minaya took over. —Wknight94 (talk) 02:45, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

can i get in mlb season articles? i'll even do the crappy teams. (talk)

[edit] NHL Season-by-Team Articles

Thanks for the kind words. You're right; I've spent way more hours than I should be editing these pages. :) I'm mainly focusing now on trying to keep the Eastern Conference articles complete and up-to-date. You may have also noticed a new recruit of sorts, Sjosa2, has come on board and has helped with the Sabres page as well as creating pages for the Thrashers and Canadiens. He should also be commended.

Have a good trip, and I'll try to back you up on the Pacific Division articles while you're gone -- no promises, but I'll try. :) Skudrafan1 00:02, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Team Articles

Thanks for the comments. I can create team articles in about 1-2 hrs., but most of the time (at least half) concerns the game logs, because of the redundant typing and spacing, etc. If you know of anyone who can help complete team game logs, even if it is a few games, please let them know and have them contact me, so I can work with them to get a page up more quickly.

I have some free time occaisionally for the next 2 weeks, then I begin school again, and I will not have as much time. I want to try and complete most of the 13 remaining teams that need pages in this time and all help is greatly appreciated. Sjosa2 22:46, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] 2006-07 New Jersey Devils season up for deletion!

Well, this is not good. Someone has nominated 2006-07 New Jersey Devils season, which I created last night, for deletion: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/2006-07 New Jersey Devils season. If this article goes, obviously all the rest of our work is going to go up in flames as well. You need to voice your well thought-out opinion on the AFD page, because I'd hate to see all this work we've done simply disappear. Skudrafan1 16:41, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

You asked why I nominated on my talk page. Basically, my feeling is that you could find a list of stats like that anywhere, and that article was, relative to other encyclopedia articles, excessively trivial. That said, I was unaware that such articles existed for other teams and sports. As such, the nomination was a mistake on my part that came from ignorance. While if it were up to me, I wouldn't want those kinds of articles, it's obvious that there is a strong consensus to keep, so I've withdrawn the nomination. Croctotheface 05:53, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] NHL team season infobox

Borrowing from the infobox that the college football wikiproject created, I came up with a modified (and expanded) template for each NHL season here: Template:NHLTeamSeason. Please feel free to add suggestions on its talk page, and to add it to the articles. Thanks! Resolute 00:47, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] MLB team season

The article has been moved at your request. Thanks for your support. You can view it here. --Borgarde 01:47, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

Do you perhaps have like a basic template for those team articles? Something you could create as an example for people going to create a page? --Borgarde 01:54, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] MLB season pages

Hi. Noticed the edits you made to 2007 Toronto Blue Jays season. Do you really think it's necessary to add blanks in the game log for the days that there are no games? These articles are already going to be super long, I think we can do without adding extra spaces. Also, the OT column. Do we need that for baseball, or is it just a "leftover" from a hockey season game log? Thanks, Bigdottawa 04:56, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

Okay, that all makes sense. I'm planning on working on a few more team articles in the near future too. Hopefully all 30 get done if not before the season, then during the season. Bigdottawa 10:18, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Template:MLB yearly infobox

Hello Ksy92003. The contents box always appears on an article when there are a certain number of headlines (==Headline text==). I think that's what you were asking, but if not, just send me response. By the way, it's good to see that people have begun working on articles like these for all of the MLB teams. If you ever need help, just let me know; I've been working on the Minnesota Twins yearly articles for some time now.

--Smarterthanu91 • Talk 00:34, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Re: 2007 New York Mets season

According to Wikipedia:Manual of Style (headings), only the first word of a heading and other proper nouns should be capitalized in section headings. As far as I am aware season, standings, and stats are not proper nouns and should not be capitalized in section headings. As for the other 29 other 2007 team pages, I cannot speak about, but I believe they are not in accordance with the Manual of Style. Perhaps this should be made aware on the WikiProject page. --Zimbabweed 08:26, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

I only edited the Mets page because that one caught my interest (being a Mets fan), and did not notice the other 29 team pages until writing my first response to you, above, and shortly thereafter falling asleep, without making a statement on the WikiProject page. --Zimbabweed 21:48, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Re: 2007 Major League Baseball season

Look, for a casual fan living outside of USA it is not easy to get hold of all of last night's scores and it will take a painfully long time to go to each team's own dedicated page, so why not have all the scores on one page? It doesn't matter if the page is long. Fahima 07

Regarding your comment on my talk page, I'll take a look at the situation. I'm not going to comment right away. --Borgarde (talk) 02:06, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

Good work on the schedule section, listing the team as opposed to only the city (e.g Yankees vs. Mariners as opposed to New York vs. Seattle). It look much better. 24.185.47.131 (talk)

[edit] Re: uniformity

Please show me the section in the WP:BASEBALL where it describes this uniformity you seem to know. I can't seem to find it. — Linnwood (talk) 04:09, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

Please see here Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Baseball/MLB team season articles format — Linnwood (talk) 04:18, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Thank You

Thank you for correcting the 'leave me a new message' box, I had missed that! I will check out where the game I missed is. — Steven Andrew Miller (talk) 19:06, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Your signature

You seem to be signing talk pages with three tildes, which leaves a link to your name, but no time or date. Please user four tildes, per WP:SIGN. Or just click on the signature icon (the 10th from the right on the toolbar immediately above the editing window).

Thanks. -- John Broughton (♫♫) 02:50, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

Regarding the 161 games, I was editing fairly quickly, and didn't notice that the discussion was about 2007 (versus, say, 2006 or 2005). My mistake.

Regarding your signature - I don't understand your comment that I can not remember where I did that. Are you typing four tildes or three tildes when you enter your signature, or are you doing something else to produce a signature? -- John Broughton (♫♫) 13:56, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

I'm still not clear what is going on with your signature. Sorry if I appear a bit dense. You said when I first started editing on Wikipedia, I used four tildes like everybody else. Then, I changed it to three tildes ... because i wanted to bold my name, not realizing that I didn't have a link to my username on it.

If a user types 3 tildes, that produces the name only. Five tildes produces the date/time only. Four tildes produces both. It's not clear if you were (still are, judging by your last posting) typing three tildes or not, and if you are, if you have any problem with changing back to four tildes, or if something else is going on.

This isn't a trivial matter - a date/time stamp is critical on article talk pages. For example, if the comment is (say) six months old, it's generally not worth responding to; if it's two hours old, it's worth reviewing. The answer can be found in the page history, but that's a pain.

So it would be nice if you'd commit to doing four tildes, if you're currently only doing three, and if that's problematical or won't solve the problem, explain why. -- John Broughton (♫♫) 15:54, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Re: 2007 San Diego Padres season

I completed the schedule for the gamelog as a separate page, using the style that includes the All-Star Game as shown in the 2007 Angels season gamelog example. Feel free to link it to the discussion on the separate gamelog-page discussion. --Axion22 06:10, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] 2006 St. Louis Cardinals season

"It can be edited by anybody to make it better."--That would be awesome. You are, however, continually editing it to make it worse.--"And perhaps you should look at other articles"--Perhaps they should look at mine. In any case, I don't know what what some other poster did with an NHL season page and don't know why I should care.--"The game log should be just for that, the games."--Who says?--"If Pujols hits a home run one day and not the other (just an example) nobody cares."--I suspect you could find quite a few St. Louis Cardinal fans who care, and you would further fine that an article on the Cardinals' championship season will be of most interest to them.--"Until then, please try to keep it the same for all articles of the same kind."--Still don't care about other articles, still don't see why all articles have to be exactly the same. Still think my version is perfectly fine and that you change it for the worse every time you take out the text.--"We just have to fix "your" game log."--That's the thing; the article was perfectly fine and doesn't need to be "fixed". Vidor 19:07, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

• "You really don't understand."--False premise. I do understand you. I just think you're wrong.--"Tell me how I am making it worse."--By taking out relevant information and turning an article on the season as a whole into nothing but a game log.--"You are the only one who does an article with including stuff like that prior to the game log."--I hope others learn by my example.--"When I created the MLB team season project, I modeled it off of the articles for the 2006-07 NHL team season articles."--Don't care. Baseball is not the same as hockey.--"I'm not saying that nobody cares about that."--That's exactly what you did say.--"All articles should be the same."--Why?--"Look at the 2007 MLB team articles. Each and every single one of them has exactly the same format."--There are several misconceptions here. All the 2007 articles are blank, because the 2007 season hasn't happened yet. As for the 2006 articles, only six have been made, and mine is the only one that's complete. None of the other five even have a complete game log. Much as I don't care about NHL articles, I don't really care about articles for other MLB franchises, except to observe that there is no standard for MLB articles because they have not been written. Except for mine.--"In any case, the article should be left the best way, which is one that is easy to understand for everybody."--One thing that I do know is that the article was easy to understand the way I had written it. It was organized by month, with a summary of what happened that month followed by the game log for that month.--"Should month-by-month summaries be included prior to the list of the games in their respective month in the game log for MLB team season articles?"--In a final effort to make the article something more than a simple game log, and to get you to stop making massive deletions, I took the text summaries out of the game log and put them all together in a separate text section before the game log. In order to accomodate you the text and the game log are now separate sections. Further, if you wish to put the game log first and include the recap of the 2006 season afterwards, I would have no objection to that either.

• In closing, I'll say this: 1) There is no standard for the 2006 or 2007 MLB articles at this time. 2) None of the other articles conform to the standard that you have decreed, because none of them have been finished. 3) All of them have explanatory text of some sort; none are just a game log. 4) There is no compelling reason to dictate that MLB season recap articles must conform to the exact same format as NHL articles. 5) I would not be nearly as angry now if you had asked in the article's discussion page about what to do with all the text that I spent quite a bit of time writing, rather than simply deleting it all. I also would not have been upset if you had taken the text out and put it in a separate section, as I did yesterday afternoon, rather than simply deleting it all. What I object to, very strongly, is deleting all text recapping the 2006 season and thus turning the article into nothing but a game log of the sort that one could find on MLB.com, SI.com, ESPN.com, Retrosheet.org, baseball-reference.com, yahoo.com, and lots of other places.

• Three other things: First, you really need to take "OT" out of other game logs. The word "overtime" is not used in baseball. Second, you should change the game log external links in your other pages to some source other than ESPN.com, because the ESPN.com game logs will not be there forever, and eventually your link will not work. For instance, right now the ESPN.com schedule page for the St. Louis Cardinals has game logs going back to 2002 and no further. I suspect that this time next year the game logs for 2002 will have disappeared. Two websites that keep permanent game logs for all seasons in MLB history, and thus would be better sources for your external links, are Baseball Reference and Retrosheet. I changed the external links for my article to Retrosheet. Baseball Reference would do just as well. Third, when you (or whoever else did it) created the "2006 MLB season by team" box that goes at the bottom of the article, you misspelled "Cincinnati". Two N's, one T. Vidor 14:07, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, I wasn't too sure afterwards. I didn't see anything from the guy arguing with you. My fault. Sorry! --Sylent 15:38, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Retrosheet

The Retrosheet homepage is here, at www.retrosheet.org. One way to access game logs is to click the "franchises" link on the left.

(Notice that if one keeps clicking links directly from the home page, the "www.retrosheet.org" URL atop the window never changes. You have to open in a separate window to get a matching URL.)

Anyway, the "franchises" link goes to a list of existing and defunct franchises. You'll notice that the Angels are the first ones listed because they're still listed under "Anaheim". Click "Anaheim Angels" and it takes you to a homepage listing the win-loss record for the Angels by year. Click on the team name for any individual year, and it takes you to a master page for that year: this is the page for the original 1961 Los Angeles Angels. Click "Game Log", and there it is.

Another good site is Baseball Reference. Home page, click LA of Anaheim under "Teams", click 1961, click schedule, and there you are.

Thank you for meeting me halfway on the 2006 Cardinals home page. Vidor 16:29, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Los Angeles Kings

For the last few months a gentlemen's agreement was reached (and respected) to leave diacriticals off NHL team pages (while leaving them on NHL player pages). Please respect this agreement, thank you. See talk: Colorado Avalanche for agreement. GoodDay 19:34, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Well, I wanna tell you something about Wikipedia.

You're probably still confused. Please read about what Wikipedia is not. Keep in mind that Wikipedia is a place to seek knowledge, not rumours. TheBlazikenMaster 17:11, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Responde

Check my user talk page. TheBlazikenMaster 17:30, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Works for me

I dont think either of us can revert again anyway.--Tempest115 04:00, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

I guess your'e right.--Tempest115 19:20, 20 March 2007 (UTC)