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Contents 1 Phrasing 2 Rewrite 3 Unreferenced statement 4 Unreferenced statements 5 WikiProject British Crime 6 Diptheria 7 Sexuality 8 Celebrity support? 9 Patsy Kensit

[edit] Phrasing

I changed 'psychopathic homosexual' to 'psychopath.' There is nothing inherently psychopathic about being homosexual. What is meant by psychopathic homosexual? Is that a euphemism for pedophile? If so, then 'psychopathic pedophile' is preferred, although that sounds redundant. Kingturtle 18:54 Apr 14, 2003 (UTC)

Thanks for that, Kingturtle. I'm a bit embarrassed at how that entry sounded, in the cold light of day. Ronnie Kray's homosexuality is important, and interesting but I wasn't sure how to introduce it into the article. Any ideas? Rayray 14:29 Apr 15, 2003 (UTC)

Writing 'psychopathic homosexual' does not imply that there is anything inherently psychopathic about being homosexual, in the same way that writing 'Clifford the big red dog' does not imply anything inherently red about being a dog. Or, anything inherently red about being big. etc. Two things I'm curious about though: firstly, what is a homosexual friendship? Are two men who have a non-sexual friendship homosexual? Or, if it is a sexual relationship, then would another word be more appropriate than friendship? Secondly, how long was 1956, if Ron spent three years in jail during that time? Was it a non-standard 36-month year as some means of correcting a calendar abberation? Eric, 12:27pm, Oct 20 2004, NZT

There is nothing in the article which indicates why one brother was more of a psychopath than the other. Can that be spelled out? RickK 03:34 26 Jun 2003 (UTC)

Comments always welcome. I think there are a couple of points which indicate that; "Ron was the dominant twin, and a psychopath" in the first paragraph, and "Reg was persuaded by his brother to kill Jack 'the Hat' McVitie". If you think this needs more clarification (something like "Ron was the dominant twin, and a psychopath, whilst Reg was something of a reluctant murderer") then go for it. Rayray 08:11 26 Jun 2003 (UTC)

I don't know enough about the subject to make any worthwhile contributions. RickK 01:27 27 Jun 2003 (UTC)

[edit] Rewrite

I have substantially filled this article out, giving it some more structure and lots more detail, after reading The Profession of Violence. A fascinating read. It still needs some polishing, links added etc. --192.43.227.18 07:54, 12 Aug 2004 (UTC), aka GoldenRing.

I must say that I am very impressed with your additions to this aritcle. I think that they've really improved it. Thank you for making them. Is your username GoldenRing? Acegikmo1 06:10, 18 Aug 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Unreferenced statement

"In the case of the Krays, Ronnie, although the younger of the two, was the dominant twin. He was also a paranoid schizophrenic psychopath."

Do you have a source for that, or did you just make it up? Note that "psychopath" refers to a person with antisocial personality disorder, and that condition and schizophrenia are completely different entities. Vorpalbla 05:04, 3 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Complete nonsense. Neither Kray was a psychopath. Ronnie was a paranoid schizophrenic, quite probably bought about by diptheria when he was three. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 84.92.38.62 (talk • contribs).

That's right, neither of them were pyscopaths although.... they existed slightly closer to the raving nutter line than most people. However, they did actually help some people out of sticky circumstances with other criminals. A friend of mine is still alive thanks to their legacy. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 82.44.79.192 (talk • contribs).

I know nothing of them helping out people in bad situations with other criminals (comment above), but my grandfather ran a tailor's in Bond Street when the Krays ran protection rackets, and his shop was one of the ones they targetted. They were, he said, well known enough that you just let them get on with taking whatever they wanted, opened the till and went to a stockroom. People who even spoke to them (I assume to the nutter one, Rob) could sometimes end up dead, so you just got out of the way. Mysticaloctopus 20:58, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Unreferenced statements

OK, what the hell is this? All these quotes flying about with no goddamn references? What a mess. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 84.65.123.53 (talk • contribs).

[edit] WikiProject British Crime

• For those interested, a WikiProject regarding crime in Great Britain has been proposed. MadMax 19:16, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Diptheria

So how can diptheria, a respiratory disease lead to mental illness? I'm removing this reference.It doesn't make sense and is purely speculative. Rrose Selavy 15:08, 7 Nov 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Sexuality

It is well known Ronnie was gay, why can't we just say that in the article??! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 212.32.117.101 (talk • contribs).

[edit] Celebrity support?

There was a long-running campaign, with much celebrity support, to have the twins released from prison

I don't recall much celebrity support - only Barbara Windsor. Is there a reference for this statement? Apepper 23:47, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Patsy Kensit

Patsy Kensit is not Reggie Krays God-Daughter, it is her brother James Kensit who has Reggie Kray as a God-Father. (See page 156 of "Born Fighter" by Reggie Kray). —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 58.166.223.42 (talk • contribs).