Talk:Kosher foods

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[edit] Offensive

I am new here, I just logged/join on to point this out to an administrator or moderator, I am not jewish myself but I don't think a jewish person would particularly like what someone wrote in the Kosher mammals section: ' Reproducing the offensive material here is equally offensive: --Lance talk 10:04, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

I think that is very offensive and uncalled for. There must be a way to see the IP address of the user or person who wrote that to put a ban on him/her.

Thanks for pointing that out. Looking over user 209.202.75.74's edit history, it appears he does nothing but vandalize. I've put a temporary block on him. Jayjg (talk) 04:46, 14 Apr 2005 (UTC)

That IP is somewhere around Winsdor, Canada. Thought you would like to know...

[edit] Terminology

If someone has a moment (and the knowledge) would it be possible to discuss the meaning and root of the related Hebrew terms parve, pareve and kashrut as well as perhaps the English (?) term kosher? I'm curious. Thanks. jengod 08:48, July 14, 2005 (UTC)

The term kosher is elaborated on kashrut, which is adjective vs noun. As for parve, this is food that contains neither dairy nor meat, and may therefore be used with either without the risk of producing a forbidden mixture. JFW | T@lk 11:04, 14 July 2005 (UTC)
Pareve is just another spelling (and pronunciation?) of parve. Parve is, incidentally, Yiddish, not Hebrew. I don't know that its etymology is known. And JFW forgot the case of fish... Tomer TALK 17:22, July 14, 2005 (UTC)
Fish != meat. JFW | T@lk 17:31, 14 July 2005 (UTC)
Irrelevant. Posqim generally prohibit preparing or eating meat and fish together, eventhough they can be eaten in succession (following rinsing), and fish can be prepared in and eaten with meat kelim and dishes (i.e., plates and forks). Tomer TALK 20:14, July 14, 2005 (UTC)
Tomer, for the purposes of Wikipedia it would be immensely unhelpful to mention an issur torah in the same line as a minhag. Many Jews would not mix meat & milk but are not very bothered by the Shulkhan Arukh's statements about meat & fish. JFW | T@lk 16:00, 12 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Literalness

Some Jews take the not cooking a calf in its mothers milk more literaly than others and thus have different iterperatations so many things arent 100% agreed upon concensus (for that law) and I believe it should be stated that some believe it to different extents. Or maybe it should go in the kosher/kashrut article this is just an observation--Shimonnyman 11:44, 12 September 2005 (UTC)

Are you talking about what "some Jews" believe, or what various streams of Judaism say? If the former, "some Jews" believe just about everything - you can't document every belief of every Jew. Jayjg (talk) 15:52, 12 September 2005 (UTC)

Calf? Anyway, the Karaite view can be briefly touched upon in kashrut. JFW | T@lk 16:01, 12 September 2005 (UTC)

I'm not speaking Karaite as I know people from many denomonations of Judaism who say Leviticus is to be taken in as plain straightforward literal truth but not nessasarily each book as literal truth. --Shimonnyman 17:53, 12 September 2005 (UTC)
As I pointed out above, Jews believe all sorts of things. However, Orthodox and Conservative insist on strict separation of meat and milk, and Reform does not consider halakha binding. Oh, and the meat and milk restriction is certainly not a literal reading of Leviticus. Jayjg (talk) 18:38, 12 September 2005 (UTC)
That was my point that some people take it as in literaly not dont mix milk and meat. For the record a lot of Reform Jews I know agree with the common interperatation as a lot of reform and non-reform Jews I know take it literal --Shimonnyman 04:31, 13 September 2005 (UTC)
and by the way I'm not going to push for this anymore as everyone has pretty much agreed this is the wrong article and it should be the other one if any I just wanted to explain in responce to arguments againts the actuall statment clarifying what I meant compaed to what actually came out of what I said. --Shimonnyman 04:38, 13 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] References

This could use some more scripture references. For example, which verse is the no mixing of milk and dairy based on? Is it Exodus 23:19? (I'm not Jewish, so I'm not sure.) --Steven Fisher 06:10, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

You are correct, but it is mentioned again in two other instances. JFW | T@lk 00:33, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
Great, do you know what they are? Don't worry, I'm not here to argue the point: I just wanted to look up the verses and thought they'd be a good addition to the article. :) --Steven Fisher 05:52, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Glatt

As far as I know, the word "glatt" does'nt mean "lung", it is "smooth". Also - it is written "גלאט" and not as spelled in the article. 24.80.33.230 19:14, 8 May 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Kosher Rennet

The section about cheese is confusing on the issue of Orthodox use of Rennet. While I do suppose that Rennet derived from a Kosher animal that was shecheted properly would indeed be itself Kosher. If, however, you used that rennett to make cheese, it would be considered mixing of milk and meat by Orthodox Jews, and thus not Kosher. I think that section needs revision. Elipongo 20:56, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Focus

this article seems to hit the major foods and topics raised by certain foods, but doesn't really draw near a "laws of kashrus" type of article. is it even trying to be that kind of article? there really needs to be an article that *would* hit on the actual rubric for keeping kosher.

and, while i'm complaining, it seems that the kashrut article is mostly a teaser, describing kashrus, while also refraining from a full description of how one keeps kosher.


[edit] Passover cleaning

The article mentions rigorous cleaning for Passover, but does not describe the ritual of it. I think that would be sensible to add. (Feather, candle, crumbs. I don't have the time right now to check my memory of the timing and procedure.) --156.56.195.52 01:15, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Schechita

I have edited the following for style and accuracy. I'm not an expert on Kosher slaughter so perhaps someone with more knowledge could re-check it. Also it overlaps with the Shechita.

An interesting fact, little-known outside of Jewish communities, is that the hindquarters of a mammal are not kosher unless the sciatic nerve and the fat surrounding it are removed (Genesis 32, last verse). This is a very time-consuming process demanding a great deal of special training, and is rarely done outside Israel, where there is a greater demand for kosher meat, since all meat sold in Jewish towns is required to be kosher by law. When it is not done, the hindquarters of the animal are sold for non-kosher meat.

[edit] On chewing the cud

The hyrax article suggests that zoologists now reckon they don't actually chew the cud. Has there been any Jewish reaction to this idea? (Probably not "Yippee!! break out the hyrax!!") Also, the list of examples doesn't include any animals which neither chew the cud nor have cloven hoofs: should it be made clear that they're not kosher? jnestorius(talk) 21:12, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

Strictly speaking, hares and rabbits don't chew the cud either; they eat their own droppings instead. I haven't heard of this making any difference to their non-kosher status. Perodicticus 18:51, 21 September 2006 (UTC)
Of course, we don't necessarily know that the Hebrew word "shafan" means "hyrax." One thing that jumps out at me is that the two animals whose translations we are fairly sure about - pigs and camels - were domesticated. Perhaps this means that shafan and arnevet were domesticated as well... At any rate, hares and rabbits are not kosher. --Eliyak T·C 19:16, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Kosher gelatin

Kosher gelatin can be made from pig skins??? --Inahet 19:04, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] 209.226.132.100 01:21, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

It doesn't mention anything about the growing concerns on just how humane Jew-Kosher slaughter 'techniques' are on cattle. I have a movie I could donate for this subject if any Wikipedians wish it so.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 209.226.132.100 (talk • contribs) 20:21, 28 November 2006 (UTC-5)

Update: The signing was done by me, Daniel Thomase Ainsworth. There should be no problem here and my addition/recommendation is legitimate. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 209.226.138.86 (talk • contribs) 21:10, 29 November 2006 (UTC-5)

You can sign your posts by typing four tildes (~) in a row, or you can hit the signature button in the toolbar at the top of the edit box. The issue you raise is beyond the scope of this particular article. It is addressed here Kashrut#Kashrut and animal welfare. I wouldn't advise uploading a video because there would likely be copyright issues. --Elipongo 02:21, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
I found another article that addresses your point, Shechita#Animal Welfare controversies. Be sure to follow the link to past, present, & proposed bans on ritual slaughter. --Elipongo 02:30, 30 November 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Capybara

This animal was a matter of discussion on the Mexican Hebrew Community about if is or not Kosher. I think it is but I am not sure. Does anyone can see information about this?

[[1]] —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Maxmordon (talk • contribs) 21:54, 10 December 2006 (UTC-5)

According to the article on Capybara, they have toes, not split hooves; therefore they're not Kosher. --Elipongo (Talk|contribs) 19:12, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Fungi

Does any one know if fungi like mushrooms can be eaten or not according to Kosher rules? it is not green or a plant —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Barry White (talk • contribs) 19:38, 21 December 2006 (UTC).

Fungi are kosher, subject to the condition that they aren't infested with non-kosher animals. Pontificake 20:41, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] A Joke?

One of the Kosher Mammals is down as: Beef Taco Hot Pockets (shown below)

Image:Http://www.hotpockets.com/graphics/hot/products/db/beeftaco 400.jpg

A Joke? Edwardando 15:30, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

Rather a bit of vandalism that another editor has reverted. Such things happen all the time. The only reason this one stayed up as long as it did was because it was done during Shabbat. --Elipongo (Talk|contribs) 20:39, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] The External links section

A link was just put up to the British Columbia Kosher website. I haven't removed it, but my feeling is that it should be removed along with the links to the OU, the O-K, and the Star-K. We'll end up with a link farm to every single hechsher out there if we let it get out of hand, IMHO. Thoughts? —Elipongo (Talk|contribs) 05:01, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

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