User talk:Klaksonn

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[edit] Welcome!

Hello Klaksonn! Welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions to this free encyclopedia. If you decide that you need help, check out Getting Help below, ask me on my talk page, or place {{helpme}} on your talk page and ask your question there. Please remember to sign your name on talk pages by clicking or using four tildes (~~~~); this will automatically produce your name and the date. Finally, please do your best to always fill in the edit summary field. Below are some useful links to facilitate your involvement. Happy editing!  Netsnipe  ►  18:47, 30 March 2007 (UTC) Getting started Wikipedia tutorial • The five pillars of Wikipedia How to: edit a page • upload and use images Getting help Frequently asked questions • Tips Where to ask questions or make comments Request administrator attention Policies and guidelines Attribution • Neutral point of view • Notability Conflict of interest • Autobiography Biographies of living persons Manual of Style • Citing sources • Footnotes Image use policy • Copyrights • Fair use External links • Spam • Vandalism Three-revert rule • Sock puppetry What Wikipedia is not • Deletion policy The community Build consensus • Resolve disputes Assume good faith • Civility • Etiquette No personal attacks • No legal threats Community Portal • Village pump Signpost • IRC channels • Mailing lists Writing articles Be bold in editing • Develop an article The "perfect" article • Manual of style Stubs • Categories • Disambiguation Pages needing attention • Peer review Miscellaneous User name • User pages • Talk pages Clean up: General - Spam - Vandalism Join a WikiProject • Translation Useful templates • Tools • User scripts

You need to copy and paste the unblock-auto code from your blocked page. --  Netsnipe  ►  19:05, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

Your request to be unblocked has been granted for the following reason(s): Autoblock of 82.239.101.164 lifted or expired. Request handled by: HighInBC(Need help? Ask me) 19:29, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

That should do it, let me know here if it does not. ^High_InBC^{(Need help? Ask me)} 19:29, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

Glad to see it is working again. ^High_InBC^{(Need help? Ask me)} 19:42, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Warning

The template you created about Hezbollah has been nominated for deletion, since it is devisive or may be viewed as inflammatory. You are welcome to comment on this request on the template talk page, but please do NOT remove the tag on the article itself. Thanks. Thor Malmjursson 03:58, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Your post on my page

Unfortunately, no. Simple as that. The template is viewed as inflammatory, since it may induce others to start a counter template, counteracting yours, which could lead to arguments, edit wars, or all out bloodshed! Sorry, but those kind of templates just don't belong here. The category is fine, providing you take out the reference to Hezbollah - it would be more suitable if you list the category as "These users support the use of arms in conflict." - Listing it with Politics/Israel is ok. Thor Malmjursson 04:04, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Vital articles

Salam Alaykum.

As you wanted in Aziz's talk page we need some knowledgeable wikipedians to choose the most notable persons. Please look at Wikipedia talk:Vital articles#Eurocentreism and Wikipedia talk:Vital articles#Religious scholars and leaders--Sa.vakilian(t-c) 10:03, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

Please read that discussions then you'll find what I mean.--Sa.vakilian(t-c) 18:47, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

Thanks, I'm the most active wikipedian in Hezbollah article with about 500 edits, but I prefer not to use my talk page for propaganda therefor I remove your template. I hope it doesn't bother you.--Sa.vakilian(t-c) 04:04, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

My dear friend, I prefer not to do any work which make others sensitive. I come here to edit the articles. I've worked on Hezbollah article for more than 6 moths. I should have good relationship with others even the Zionists. This is the prerequisite for edition of controversial articles. I prefer to make a Featured article about Hezbollah instead of working on a tag.--Sa.vakilian(t-c) 04:12, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

Thanks, Can you please help us in Al-Manar. I described what should be done in the talk page.--Sa.vakilian(t-c) 05:12, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Something I don't understand

I'm sorry to bother you Netsnipe, but I need you to explain a few things to me. I created a template of a userbox that I saw on many userpages. The box reads "This user supports armed resistance to hostilities." I also created a category of "Wikipedians who support Hezbollah" per "Wikipedians who support Israel". As I was editing the category after I had created it, I received this message: "Warning The template you created about Hezbollah has been nominated for deletion, since it is devisive or may be viewed as inflammatory. You are welcome to comment on this request on the template talk page, but please do NOT remove the tag on the article itself. Thanks. Thor Malmjursson 03:58, 1 April 2007 (UTC)"

Three to four seconds after I had received this message and as I was about to discuss the deletion, the template was deleted. I sent this to the user who had sent me the message: "Hezbollah template Don't I get a chance to discuss the template first? KlakSonnKeep it to yourself 04:00, 1 April 2007 (UTC)"

He replied: "Your post on my page Unfortunately, no. Simple as that. The template is viewed as inflammatory, since it may induce others to start a counter template, counteracting yours, which could lead to arguments, edit wars, or all out bloodshed! Sorry, but those kind of templates just don't belong here. The category is fine, providing you take out the reference to Hezbollah - it would be more suitable if you list the category as "These users support the use of arms in conflict." - Listing it with Politics/Israel is ok. Thor Malmjursson 04:04, 1 April 2007 (UTC)"

I'm not really familiar with Wikipedia policy, but did that really happen or am I in Lala land? This appear as purely dictatorial and biased. Can you explain it to me, or does Wikipedia view Hezbollah as a terrorist organization? If not, I await the template and category to be re-created ^Klak_Sonn^{Keep it to yourself} 04:31, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

Yes that did happen. Wikipedia is not a soapbox and thus political campaigning using one's user page is prohibited. From Wikipedia:User page: Wikipedia provides user pages to facilitate communication among participants in its project to build an encyclopedia. and a userbox supporting any political cause or party does not fit with the aims of userpages and as pointed out to you earlier only inflames and divides editors against each other. --  Netsnipe  ►  07:25, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

Are you for real or is this another practical joke? Wikipedia is full of userpages with political userboxes. I was hoping you would be realistic instead of taking me for an idiot. I was hoping I would find assistance, not someone telling me there is no place for political userboxes in Wikipedia. I hope this is a joke and excuse my anger. ^Klak_Sonn^{Keep it to yourself} 10:35, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

I'm not joking at all. If you disagree with the deletion, feel free to lodge an appeal at Wikipedia:Deletion review, but I can assure you that there's very little chance the deletion will be overturned because Wikipedia is not a soapbox, a democracy or a webspace provider. See Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not for further details. If you want to say whatever you want about yourself, then get yourself a blog. --  Netsnipe  ►  13:23, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

I was a pretty disgusting thing to do. I ask for your assistance and you cause even more harm. ^Klak_Sonn^{Keep it to yourself} 16:56, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

How have I "harmed you"? As an administrator, I'm not here to take sides with anyone -- I'm only here to enforce policy -- and by doing so keep the peace. You were lucky enough to even get a second chance after getting indefinitely blocked for vandalism, so don't go looking for trouble if you intend to be around Wikipedia for a long time. --  Netsnipe  ►  17:05, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

Should it be called double-standards or Aussie racism? (examples). Does enforcing policy consist of allowing every "I support..." userbox except for the ones who bother your kind? ^Klak_Sonn^{Keep it to yourself} 17:08, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

There's nothing stopping you from nominating them for removal at Wikipedia:Templates for deletion or raising the issue with the wider community at the Wikipedia:Village pump. Under the Wikipedia:Civility policy, I'd also strongly caution you against calling others racist without diffs to demonstrate systematic bias. If you go through my editing history, I've always asserted my neutrality when it comes to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. --  Netsnipe  ►  17:17, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

Please don't play games Netsnipe, be fair for one time. Every political userbox cannot be deleted, you just want to attack the Hezbollah one to be because it irritates your people. ^Klak_Sonn^{Keep it to yourself} 17:22, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

Just because I'm Australian, doesn't mean I'm your stereotypical white racist -- have a close look at my last name. Hopefully you'll realise how unfounded your accusation is and you get back to contributing to an encyclopedia instead of trolling. If you want something done on Wikipedia, seek redress through the proper processes because harassment is going to get your reblocked real quick. --  Netsnipe  ►  17:33, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

Pathetic. What you did surely gives Wikipedia a good and respectable name. So much for freedom of speech and belief. God forgive you Lau, really. ^Klak_Sonn^{Keep it to yourself} 17:46, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

I'm Chinese. Good grief. --  Netsnipe  ►  17:48, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia is no battleground.

Please note that "Wikipedia is no battleground." is not a valid reason for speedy deletion. Миша13 18:18, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Deletions

Did you delete them or should I recreate "Wikipedians who support Hezbollah"? ^Klak_Sonn^{Keep it to yourself} 18:05, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

Four different admins including myself have deleted Category:Wikipedians who support Hezbollah while three have deleted Template:User Hezbollah citing Wikipedia:Criteria for speedy deletion#T1 - Templates that are divisive and inflammatory. Do not recreate any of these without the approval of Wikipedia:Deletion review or you will be blocked for disrupting Wikipedia. This is not a threat, but the way in which Wikipedia works. That is, follow the established processes and obtain a community consensus for everything or this place falls apart because everyone is infighting instead of working on the encyclopedia itself. --  Netsnipe  ►  18:23, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] 24 hour block

I'm drawing the line in the sand right here regarding your incivility towards other editors. Please read our Wikipedia:Civility and Wikipedia:No personal attacks policies and understand that comments like these and racism such as you have displayed on my userpage and here are unacceptable. --  Netsnipe  ►  18:29, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

I was about to answer your question until I noticed you called Thor a racist and told him to "buzz off". You also tried to insinuate that I was anti-Muslim just because I'm Australian, but as an administrator, I can tolerate a little bit of abuse and can understand that people do get into heated arguments. However, no one else on Wikipedia deserves to be spoken to like that. You could have avoided this block if only you had filed a nomination like Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2007_April_2#Category:Wikipedians_who_support_Israel instead of being rude and disruptive. --  Netsnipe  ►  19:11, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

Why should I file a nomination in Israel's case, when in Hezbollah's case it is deleted instantly? ^Klak_Sonn^{Keep it to yourself} 19:25, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

You should unblock me at this moment, because you know the reasons you stated can't get me blocked. You just want to oppress and silence me. Unblock me Netsnipe. ^Klak_Sonn^{Keep it to yourself} 19:27, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Fatime

Salam. As I know there isn't consensus among Shi'a scholar that prophet(PBUH) had how many daughter. I've seen 1, 3 and 4 daughter in the reliable sources. In the other case there's disagreement between Shi'a and Sunni sources. Sunni sources hasn't explained what happened there. I propose to write both of them on the basis of NPOV policy. However nobody has blamed Abubakr for that event.--Sa.vakilian(t-c) 02:57, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

In the case of Fatima(Salam Allah Alayha) please look at this debate:User talk:Sa.vakilian/Archive1# Fatimah. In the case of Abubakr I've never seen what you've claimed.--Sa.vakilian(t-c) 16:42, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

My dear friend, when you say x kill y it means x participates directly in killing y.--Sa.vakilian(t-c) 18:22, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] International College, Beirut

I see you have reverted all of my changes - not just removing the unsourced, and, to my mind, rather hyperbolic, claims, that the college is "one of the finest and most prestigious educational institutions in the world" (who says that? is it as fine and prestigious as Cambridge University, the Sorbonne, or Harvard University?) and was founded by a "renowned" Canadian educator (so renowned that he has no wikipedia article), but also reverting formatting changes, such as removing unnecessary wikilinks to isolated dates (like "1891" and "1895"), and structural tweaks, like moving reference to occurences in 1913 and 1926 to before those in 1936, removing full stops at the beginning of paragraphs, and closing italic text properly with ''.

Please would you:

• provide a reliable source for those two assertions ("one of the finest and most prestigious" and "renowned")
• explain why you removed my linking and formatting improvements

-- ALoan (Talk) 18:46, 4 April 2007 (UTC)