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[edit] Welcome

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Happy Wiki-ing! - СПУТНИКССС Р 21:17, 23 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Arrondissement pages

Hi, I noticed you were improving those articles and meant to contact you, but just didn't get around to it. If you're doing this work manually, it might be easier to let me know what changes you'd like made and I can probably change my Jave code that generates the articles and then re-run the bot. Or I could just mail you the source files to allow you to do global search and replace if that fitted in with what you want to do. Dlyons493 Talk 20:44, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

Hi this is eagle, I was going to try untill I realized that there are not enough categorys. (I think) If you come up with a standard plan, I will be glad to assist. Just let me know and I will run regex using the AutoWikiBrowser for you. If you take the lead on the plan I will be glad to carry it out for you.

Another reason I stopped was that I am not from France, and I don't know anything about france. {Please give me some idea's) I really would like to help. (I wish I knew what to do...some advice please)
P.S. I am running regex right now looking for restruants that were placed in the food stub category, and moving them to the appropriate location.
Eagle (talk) (desk) 23:51, 26 January 2006 (UTC)respond on my talk page please(The AutoWikiBrowser will stop and let me know of your message) Thanks and please do respond!!!

OkEagle (talk) (desk) 00:13, 27 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Page Blanking

On 08-Feb, you blanked Benfeld (canton) and Canton of Benfeld. Blanking pages is generally considered a bad idea. I've reverted them to the previous versions. If you believe these redirects should be deleted, please follow redirect portion of the deletion procedures. If you believe different content should go there, please create stubs. Thanks! -- JLaTondre 01:27, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

The problem I was trying to resolve was that both these Benfeld canton pages redirected to the Benfeld commune page, which itself seems to have quite inaccurate information. I'll leave your reverts for the time being, but as part of my broader project to tidy up all canton pages (see my user page for more details), hopefully more meaningful content will be added soon. Kiwipete 20:27, 12 February 2006 (UTC)
I'd recommend that you pick one of the canton pages and turn it into a stub. You only need a few sentences and an appropriate stub tag. Then you can redirect the other canton page to that one. Stubs are a great way of handeling cases like this. -- JLaTondre 20:57, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] French region infoboxes

Your links made no sense, they linked to lists of communes, cantons, and arrondissements in départements. For instance the Ile-de-France infobox linked to lists of communes in the Ile-de-France département, which makes no sense, there is no such thing as the "Ile-de-France département". Hardouin 20:52, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Image copyright problem with Image:Reg25.jpg

Thanks for uploading Image:Reg25.jpg. However, the image may soon be deleted unless we can determine the copyright holder and copyright status. The Wikimedia Foundation is very careful about the images included in Wikipedia because of copyright law (see Wikipedia's Copyright policy).

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Please signify the copyright information on any other images you have uploaded or will upload. Remember that images without this important information can be deleted by an administrator. If you have any questions, feel free to contact me or ask for help at Wikipedia talk:Image copyright tags. Thank you. -- Carnildo 12:33, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

I've had a look at the Wikipedia:Image copyright tags page, but am not sure which tag to use. The INSEE license (in English) seems to indicate that it is freely available, but there seem to be a number of different tags that might be appropriate. Can you please give me some help on this? Regards, Kiwipete 22:52, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Canton of Benfeld

While it is possible that the page should not be a redirect, this is not solved by removing the data in the page. please address this at Redirects for Deletion. Blanking pages is a bad idea as stipulated by JLaTondre earlier in this discussion page and is considered vandalism by many wikipedia editors. You will find that blanking the page in an attempt to delete it will merely lead to it being repeatedly recreated by other users. I am going to revert your blanking again and implore you to address the deletion in a proper forum (RfD) or replace the redirect pages with meaningful content. I would do so myself except I have neither the expertise nor the time to aquire said expertise. Usrnme h8er 03:08, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Martinique

Hi, I finally got round to looking at the differences in communes between the version I originally posted and yours. Some of these are obvious - for the CAFs I've numbered the communes, whereas you've aggregated them (which is probably better). The communes of Le Morne-Vert and Bellefontaine seem no longer to exist - as far as I can see, the latter has merged with Case-Pilote into Case-Pilote-Bellefontaine and I don't know what happened Le Morne-Vert.

But Fonds-Saint-Denis still exists as far as I know.

Do you have any more information - e.g. a link to the relevant INSEE page? Dlyons493 Talk 16:59, 4 March 2006 (UTC)

P.S. The page I think should be authorative is [1]
Um, possibly you were intending to reply to someone else, but I've had a look at Communes of the Martinique département and also Cantons of the Martinique département and they seem to agree with the INSEE page you have quoted above. In particular, the communes of Le Morne-Vert and Bellefontaine are both listed. Case-Pilote-Bellefontaine is a canton, not a commune. It comprises the communes of Case-Pilote and Bellefontaine. I agree with you that the commune of Fonds-Saint-Denis still exists. Let me know if I can be of any further help. Kiwipete 08:41, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Arrondissement of Bourg-en-Bresse

I saw that you made an edit to this page, so I hope you know a little more about it than I do. I'm going through links to disambiguation pages ("Roman") and there is a link to Romans in this article, referring to a town in France. There are two options on the Roman disambig page, and I don't know which. Could you please take a look and link the article to the correct page? Thanks for your help. --Mmounties (Talk) 15:00, 2 April 2006 (UTC)

Hi I've put the correct disamig to Romans, Ain into the Bourg-en-Bresse page. Dlyons493 Talk 15:31, 2 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Cantons of France

Kiwipete - It's funny you mention INSEE - because that is the source I am using for verification. Check this area on INSEE ([2]) - it shows the map of the cantons, with Grenoble (canton non precise), and then this one ([3]) shows the commune of Grenoble. Unless I am missing something on the map that you can help me with - or unless the maps are not correctly showing the cantons (as they do not match the list that you pointed out to me). Can you help? Rarelibra 14:18, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

You're probably busy with things. But I am continuing to make edits as I go through the lists of Cantons. You'll see I back up my edits with the official INSEE number corresponding to the edit. Hope this helps. Rarelibra 16:01, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
Sorry, I have been preoccupied with other matters. I've looked at the INSEE pages you mention, but I'm not sure what the term "canton non précisé" actually means. Do you know? I have also checked the canton list from the Conseil General website for Isere ([4]) and it does not include a canton of Grenoble. I think the confusion arises where a single commune (e.g. Grenoble) is split across multiple cantons (e.g. Grenoble 1st, 2nd, 3rd etc). Normally, a single canton comprises multiple communes. Can you check this further before continuing with your edits? I'm glad to help in any way I can. Regards, Kiwipete 00:59, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
From what I can tell, the INSEE site says

"Dans le cas des communes découpées en cantons, les différentes fractions cantonales de la commune figurent avec leur numéro de code dans la liste de la commune. Il est également renseigné pour ces communes un numéro de code pour les "cantons non précisés ". Il est généralement utilisé lorsque l'on ne veut pas ou que l'on ne peut pas caractériser une fraction cantonale pour la commune. Le code de canton non précisé ne s'adresse donc qu'à des communes entières. A l'heure actuelle les valeurs des cantons non précisés sont comprises entre 84 et 99."
I don't speak French, but it roughly translates to:
"In the case of the communes cut out in cantons, the various cantonal fractions of the commune appear with their number of code in the list of the commune. It is also indicated for these communes a number of code for the "not specified cantons". It is generally used when it is not wanted or that one cannot characterize a cantonal fraction for the commune. The code of canton not specified is thus addressed only to whole communes. At present the values of the cantons not specified are included/understood between 84 and 99."
So I'm not sure, but in mapping there is no easy way, it seems, to break down the cantons if they are cross-commune? Rarelibra 18:01, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Arrondissement_of_Valenciennes

I reverted your revert to this page. Seems reasonable. I have this ethic where I have to tell people when I revert their revert, lest I should be labelled troll. --Madnessinshorts 13:38, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

I'm not sure what "reasonable" applies to - your original edit, my reversion, or this comment? A few people, myself included, have been standardising all arrondissement pages, including the categories that they belong to, and it would be nice to keep them all following the same pattern. Are you going to apply your update to all arrondissement pages, or can I re-revert your change? Kiwipete 01:05, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Anglicization of French terms

Hi Pete- Thanks for your work on the above--I've been wanting to tackle some of that myself. On a related topic, I think the division categories in the Administrative divisions of France template should be made singular. What do you think? Here's a discussion I had about it. -Eric (talk) 14:05, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

Thanks, Eric. I've replied on the talk page. Kiwipete 03:20, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

I also wish to add my thanks for the work you have been doing on this issue. I have been carrying out similar work, disambiguating the links, removing italics and translating all terms to English, including Préfecture → Prefectures in France, and moving pages to English titles. Your work is appreciated as there is a lot to do. Thanks, and continue the good work. --Bob 08:01, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

Cheers, Bob. I've been a bit worried that my rather limited edits have made your job, which I certainly have noticed and very much appreciate, a bit harder. All I've been trying to do is get rid of all links to the now old-fashioned Cantons of xxx département pages, which I still have some left of. Kiwipete 09:14, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Anglicisation

Hello - I'm contacting you because of your involvement with many French articles. A few have undertaken the task of "Anglicising" French terms in Wiki articles (eg/: "Région => Region"; "Département => Departement") - there doesn't seem to have been any discussion about this, so your point of view would be welcome. I think a good place for this discussion would be the WP:FR page. Thank you. THEPROMENADER 14:33, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

Hello - I'm contacting you because of your involvement with using English instead of foreign terms in articles. A few are trying to "Anglicise" French terms in Wiki articles according to current guidelines but there is some resistance (eg/: "Région => Region"; "Département => Departement"). Your input would be appreciated here. Thankyou. --Bob 17:04, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Halt the Anglicisation

Hello Kiwipete. I'm sure you're quite aware that there is an ongoing discussion about your and Gcampbell's unwarrented (and half-baked) "Anglicisation" of thousands of France-related articles at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_France - what's more, there is now a WP:RFC open about it. You would do very well to cease. I'm sure you'll understand my returning the articles you "Anglicised" these last days to their former state until discussion is complete - and until you have a widespread consensus for continuing to transform the long-established contributions of so many in this singular way. Cheers. THEPROMENADER 23:15, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

Addendum: I note now that you have only "Anglicised" article wikilinks to match other already-Anglicised article titles - this is not as bad as what I originally thought, but this change is still unwarrented - and rather "in the face" of the ongoing discussion about this. I am of the advice that article titles will indeed be Anglicised, but still I would wait for this result to become more than my own prediction. Again cheers. THEPROMENADER 23:27, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

Yes, please stop immediately. These changes are very contreversial and there is already a discussion in progress concerning its validity. Please show some respect for the dozens of editors who wrote these articles. --Aquarelle 12:16, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
Yes, Kiwipete, and we're also going back to the long-established flat-earth map with sea monsters at the edges. -Eric (talk) 13:16, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
Just to let you know, the last post by Eric is supposed to be funny. He also compares people who disagree with him to Hitler, the Nazi party, and Women-haters. It's called a fallacy, or a mistaken beliefe based upon an unsound argument, and he usually responds to them with false analogies. --Aquarelle 13:24, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
Funnily enough, the last post by Aquarelle is not supposed to be funny. -Eric (talk) 15:26, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
Stop, Kiwipete. Last warning. THEPROMENADER 18:12, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
Or ELSE !!! --Bob 18:48, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
Just what sort of playpen is this? That's approval if it's anything. Very well then. THEPROMENADER 18:59, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
Um, actually, I have. Do you think I have been continuing my edits? Kiwipete 06:50, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
So you did, Kiwipete - apologies. Thank you. THEPROMENADER 10:25, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

Yes, repairing disambiguation links is such a big deal... The actual text has not changed. --Bob 19:03, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

You know that what he is doing is a form of consolidation - of a single-handed "taste-based" action whose merits haven't even been reviewed yet. During a bleeding WP:RFC on the matter, no less. Do not feign ignorance, bob. THEPROMENADER 19:26, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Signpost archive

Here is where I have archived my old Signpost articles.

[edit] Geography stub categories

Hi - it's taken a couple of months, but I've just noticed that you crated several geo-stub categories for New Zealand regions. Those templates had deliberately been left upmerged into the main New Zealand geography stubs category, since they fell below the threshold of 60 stubs necessary for separate categories (too many small, fractionated categories actually makes it harder for editors to find articles to expand). If some of them don't grow soon, they may need to be deleted and re-upmerged. Notice that the categories contained {{WPSS-cat}} at the top, with its message:

Stub-sorting Wikiproject

This category is maintained by WikiProject: Stub sorting.
Please propose new stub categories here before creating fresh categories and templates.

Grutness...wha? 23:42, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Cantons changing of arrondissements

You'll find the change on III.VIII, page 148 (140 of the pdf) of this document [5]. A lot of changes are happening now that the changes can be done by the préfet and not by the ministre. Changes have been done in 26, 27, 33, 39, 41, 43 (this one, Saugues), 51, 62, 72, 77 & 974. One arrondissement (Arcachon) has also been created in 33. I've removed the communes from the arrondissement of Le Puy but I still need to put them in the one from Brioude. If you need to contact me in emergency, you can write to Birdie which is my french nick and that I check every day. Gato76680 19:02, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Image:Arr613.jpg listed for deletion

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