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Contents 1 Deletion discussion 2 too much about bats? 3 kiwi size accuracy 4 Mascot 5 Linking 6 Title 7 First NZ human settlement 8 kiwi bird and temperature surrounding 9 Genus or species? 10 Number of species 11 Pets 12 Article links to itself! 13 Individual Pages For Species 14 Category:Apterygidae 15 Popular Culture? 16 Semi-protection 17 Image:NZ-kiwimap.png 18 Species Info

[edit] Deletion discussion

This article has been listed on Wikipedia:Votes for deletion in the past. See /deletion for the discussion archive.

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This article needs a lot of work to get it accurate. I hesitate, despite lashing out on List of New Zealand birds and putting 5 species (incl 2 subspecies), as I'm not sure how well accepted are recent suggestions for classification. Nurg 07:33, 18 Nov 2004 (UTC)

[edit] too much about bats?

... 3 species of bat: the long-tailed bat (Chalinolobus) and two short-tailed bats (Mystacina robusta and M. tuberculata). - do we really need to go into so much specific detail about bats?

[edit] kiwi size accuracy

The article states that the largest kiwi is 450 mm tall. This is 4.5 cm (about 2 inches). I'm not an expert, but I think they are probaby bigger than that if they weigh somewhere in the range of kilograms (unless the article is mistaken in the weight also???).

You're out by one decimal place (450 mm = 45 cm, not 4.5 cm). All the height and weight information in the article is correct, afaics. Ppe42 13:15, 11 November 2005 (UTC)

Kiwi can be two feet or about 60 cm. This is for the bigger species.

[edit] Mascot

Should a mascot for wikis ever be needed, like Tux for linux, I vote for a kiwi.--SQB 08:24, 2 January 2006 (UTC)

I second that, but it might be hard to convince an international organisation to choose an animal that can only be found in one country, as it's mascot (A penguin can be found in many countries). -- Faded_Mantis 04:32, 11 January 2006 (UTC)

The California state bear, the grizzly, can't be found in California. What's the big deal? — Daniel 23:09, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

and plus, if ya switch thw w and the k, wikis=kiwis. lol, at first I though that wuz the reason it wuz called wikis. ROFLness HyperSushi21 04:07, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Linking

I'm at a loss as to whether I should add a wikipedia link to monogamous in the opening article 3rd paragraph down or a wiktionary link. The wikipedia link is monogamous and the wiktionary link is monogamous. My intention was to give a definition of the word for people who didn't understand its meaning. However after searching wikipedia and finding that the monogamy topic has both the definition and background reading it had made me have my doubts. Which link do you think would be better? The easy to understand Wiktionary link or the Wikipedia link that also has background reading?

[edit] Title

The title should probably be changed to Kiwi (bird), with Kiwi pointing to the disambiguity page, though I'm new, so I don't know how to do that.

Possibly, however the article has a link to the disambiguation page at the top. The Kiwi bird is the origional meaning of the word, and for hundreds of years was the only meaning of the word. I'm against the change (btw, you mention you are new, heres a tip, sign your disscussion posts with 4 tildes ~). -- Faded_Mantis 07:54, 28 January 2006 (UTC)

I'm with Faded_Mantis on this. Worldwide, the meaning most commonly associated with the term kiwi is the fruit. But in terms of total number of occurrences, as used by New Zealanders and Australians, it probably most often refers to New Zealand people. Nevertheless, New Zealanders would see the primary meaning as referring to the bird. The word is a Māori one, and Māori have a strong expectation of their language being used and (if possible) pronounced properly by speakers of other languages.

Leaving the title as it is, and pointing to the disambiguation page for other uses of the word, is showing proper respect to the language.—Copey 2 23:53, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] First NZ human settlement

While current thinking on NZ pre-European settlement is moving towards an understanding that the first settlers arrived in the 13th century, this is not universally accepted in the mainstream. Some (eg Jim Williams (Ngāi Tahu), of Otago University) would still place the earliest settlement at around 850 AD. DNA analysis of kiore (Polynesian rats) indicates that the rats were in New Zealand about 2000 years ago. This points to a very early landfall, as they must have been brought here by humans, but the belief that there was actual settlement here at that time or earlier is the province of off-the-wall alternative New Age theorists. Copey 2 23:53, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] kiwi bird and temperature surrounding

what tempearture range does grate spotted kiwi usually live in???

[edit] Genus or species?

"A kiwi is any of the species of small flightless birds.... Several kiwi species are endangered." Is a kiwi a specific species or several species? — Daniel 23:12, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

Kiwi=genus Apteryx. I think kiwi=several species. I'm not sure if all Apteryx are kiwi tho... HyperSushi21 04:14, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Number of species

The species section should be overhauled, as there are five species of kiwi. These are Rowi, Little spotted, Brown, Great spotted,and tokoeka. Tokoeka is then divided into 4 subspecies (Haast, Stewert Island, North Fiordland, and South Fiordland).

THIS HAS BEEN CONFIRMED http://www.savethekiwi.org.nz/AboutTheBird/TheKiwiFamily

I have worked out the kinks and have made the species section more accurate. 67.172.125.13 21:22, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Pets

can they be kept as pets?

I wish they could, but due to their temperment and the law, I wouldn't even try.

[edit] Article links to itself!

The links to the kiwi species link to the same articles.

I'll try to fix that.

It's better, except for the Rowi, as it has its own page.

[edit] Individual Pages For Species

The title says it all, I think that each of the species descriptions should be on their own pages, like Okarito Brown Kiwi. 67.172.125.13 02:01, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Category:Apterygidae

Do we need this classification at the bottom? The genus Apteryx is the only one in it's family, so the title category has no purpose that I can find. Teak the Kiwi 01:46, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

Articles should not, in general, be in both a category and its subcategory. The individual articles should be in Category:Apteryx, but a case could be made for scrapping this category entirely and putting the articles into Category:Apterygidae instead, since otherwise Apterygidae would have only one sub category and no articles. If you want to make such a case, a good place to initiate discussion would be at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Birds.-gadfium 02:34, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

The simplest solution is to remove the apterygidae category from each of the articles. You can do this yourself. This leaves the apterygidae category with no articles and only one subcategory.

The rest of what I said above was another way of approaching the problem which might be controversial, and can be ignored.-gadfium 02:32, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Popular Culture?

I was thinking about adding a Kiwi's in popular culture section and with the youtube link to the popular Kiwi 3d animation, only a suggestion and the link to the video is here.

--Kai81123 12:54, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

I don't mean to ruin your day but I remember something about youtube linking not being ok, although maybe if it is in your new popculture section it will be ok. Teak the Kiwi 14:39, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

There is no specific policy with regards to YouTube content (there was a guideline but it failed) Wikipedia:External links/YouTube. However as Wikipedia:External links states, linking copyright violations is violation of policy. This applies to a fair amount of YouTube content and as such, YouTube links should be done with care. However, in this case, the person who uploaded claims to be the copyright owner and this seems likely the case so there is no problem in that area. Issue of relevance etc obviously still need to be considered Nil Einne 14:34, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Semi-protection

Lately we have been seeing a lot of vandalism by IPs. Do you guys think this page needs to be semi-protected? Teak the Kiwi 23:46, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

It looks like a vandalism every few days. Semiprotection is normally only considered if an article is vandalised every few hours or more frequently. The solution is to encourage more users to watchlist the article so that reverts can happen more quickly. It is already listed at Wikipedia:WikiProject New Zealand/Vandalism patrol, the next step might be to add it to Wikipedia:Most vandalized pages.-gadfium 00:16, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Image:NZ-kiwimap.png

User:Seong0980 deleted this image because he said it didnt load and wasted space. However it loads fine for me in a couple of browsers so I restored it - maybe the servers were having a bad day for Seong0980. Kahuroa 10:17, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Species Info

Do we need all of the info (other than there are 5 species, 1 with 4 subspecies + the links)? Teak the Kiwi 18:39, 25 February 2007 (UTC)