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1 Epilog to Orion
2 Call for deletion!
3 What this idea implies
4 Closer...

[edit] Epilog to Orion

Alternative: Epilog to Orion appeared in two parts. The 1976 part isn't really fully-realized K/S. It's a tiny thing, less than 100 pages long. Although there are some sketchy line drawings in the last part of the zine depicting homosexual acts, the zine itself is about half gen, and the "slash" part is actually a fuzzy fantasy, mostly told in verse, that occurs during a mind meld. At the end of the zine, Kirk and Spock reject a sexual relationship between them.

The second part of Alternative: Epilog to Orion did not appear until 1979! By then there was a K/S fandom--which contributed some very nice K/S art for the zine. This was fully-realized K/S, although the author, apparently a "Kirkie", still had some problems with K/S. Kirk is emotionally abusive to Spock. There is S/Ch and K/m during the middle of the story. There are physical fights, and some general lack of coping with either the homosexual or bonding parts of the relationship.

There was another K/S zine which came out in 1979, the novel Nightvisions, which was much, much better in terms of handling the issue of homosexuality with sensitivity and acceptance.

I do not understand why a few homoerotic poems published in 1976 attract so much attention when much better K/S was being published concurrently.

[edit] Call for deletion!

Christ....'o ta hell mae this article?

An' where is theChecov/Sulu slash page???

I agree. This is not noteworthy. If you must, include it in Kirk/Spock individual pages, but I fail to see why this needs an article of its own.

[edit] What this idea implies

Why is it that you cannot have two men be very close friends without implying that they are homosexuals? This very mindest keeps many men from feeling free to have deep relationships with each other: namely, that it is a homosexual thing to do or that they will be labeled as gay.