Talk:Kip-up

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[edit] Good article

I always wondered what that was called. Rich Farmbrough, 09:07 5 October 2006 (GMT).

[edit] Hop Back to a Kip-up

It seems to me like the first and last description in Hop Back to a Kip-up could well be the same thing. If so we should merge the two descriptions and if not we should clarify their difference. --MarSch 14:49, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

After rereading the descriptions, I see your point. However, the two are different techniques are different. One hops backward in more of a back handspring and rebounds quicker like a spring. The Ditangquan variation jumps directly upward and then falls directly downward to the ground and lands as a breakfall. The practitioner pauses on the ground momentarily and then hops back up. The help distinguish the two I have tried to elaborate more on the descriptions. Please check back to see if is more clear. (Guyinblack25 20:07, 18 March 2007 (UTC))

the difference seems to be the same as between kip-up with hands and no-hand kip-up, although this difference is magnified by starting from a standing position. Is that correct? --MarSch 10:26, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

Yes and no, you've got the right idea. The execution is actually the main difference. The first one is executed like a back handspring, in which the person will essentially sit down on an imaginary chair and then hop backwards. The impact on the body is less as well because as you pointed out, the hands are there absorb some of it and help the body spring back. The Ditang one jumps straight up into the air and coils while in the air. If the body coiled while it hit the ground like in the first one, the impact would be lessened. But it doesn't, it falls straight down and the person throws their arms out as they hit to simulate a breakfall. I'll try to add more content about the hands to make it clearer. Also I'd just like to say thank you for the input, it's nice to get some feedback on articles like this that need to be very descriptive to illustrate actions. (Guyinblack25 14:43, 19 March 2007 (UTC))

What about a Ditang kip-up without the jumping up part? Do you think we should mention it, maybe just as a practice form for full Ditang kip-up? And split off Ditang kip-up from Hop Back to a Kip-up into its own subsection? Ideally we shall have a movie for each of the variants worth mentioning. Words can say only so much. I absorb your thank you and retaliate with a thank you too of my own. --MarSch 15:32, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

I reorganized the content a little bit, if you think it doesn't help convey the information appropriately, we can revert it. Also, it would be really nice if we had the actual Chinese name of that ditang breakfall. I guess we'll add that to the list of questions to ask the Wikipedia Martial Arts Project. (Guyinblack25 00:25, 20 March 2007 (UTC))

No, I like it. I've massaged the text a bit. --MarSch 10:46, 20 March 2007 (UTC)