Talk:Kinism

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I believe this quote from Mark Godfrey, "...only a white man can be a Christian" has been torn horribly out of context. Godfrey did indeed say this, and in the process he completely redefined the word 'christian', but according to the definition he gave, non-white people *can* be followers of Christ. When you read the article that Godfrey wrote where this quote was taken from, he makes it abundently clear that he is not saying only quite people can be saved, but that 'christianity' is the socio-historical construct that was created in and by Europe, thus according to this definition only a white man (European) can be a 'christian.'

Due to the inherently prejudicial nature of this quote, I believe it should be removed, because without the context in which it was made, it most certainly will be misunderstood. Misrepresentation of a movement through 'copy and paste' quotes without context I do not believe qualifies as acceptable scholarship.

We certainly should not misrepresent the movement. Nor should we avoid explaining ideas because they are difficult. Let's go back to the source and find a way to correctly summarize what Godfrey says. -Will Beback 04:01, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

I read it over. It's a blog entry with some extensive follow-up comments.[1] We could use it as a source for Godfrey's views, though we generally try to avoid doing so. It is a very unusual theological concept so I am not sure how to summarize it best. -Will Beback 06:36, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

How does anyone figure this group is "quickly growing". Evidence? Source? -pduggan

This is an example of how controversial subjects are mishandled on Wikipedia. I have tried to clean up the prose somewhat and make the text clearer. -Yakuman

This is a quote from a web page claiming these beliefs. It is clearly based on racism, unless you believe "seperate but equal" is not racist. The quote critiqued as out of context my not be that far off.'

"We will work to end all non-white immigration, We believe that all aliens (to include all Jews and Arabs) should be removed to their own areas and separated in due course from Kinist held territories, without respect to persons. Nevertheless, we acknowledge the worth and value to God of all ethnic division of men and would labor diligently to establish godly, honorable relations with our ethnic neighbors. The borders of a Kinist nation would be secure, and sensible anti-miscegenation laws would be enacted, while suffrage would be restricted to landed white males 21 and older, while we work toward a godly, free republic. In a biblical society, the exercise of the public franchise will not be permitted to be used as a means of subjugating America’s founding people, nor will it be permitted to become a tool to transform us through law into a nation of godless, hedonistic automata, in hock to the company store."

www.kinism.net/index.php/weblog/mission2/

-Fulman

I see your point. The problem is that the kinists deny that they are racists. So saying "kinism is racist" would violate NPOV. That's why I chose the wording I used. I agree that the quote you cite gives a concise description of kinism's agenda, so I added it to the article. Hope this helps. Thanks! Yakuman 18:52, 30 August 2006 (UTC)