Talk:Kingdom of Poland (1916–1918)

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Contents 1 Split 2 Enlargement 3 Picture of Carl Stephan 4 Article name change 5 Anti-German 6 So where's the source for germanisation?

[edit] Split

This article will soon be expanded and/or splitted into several subarticles. See Wikipedia:WikiProject History of Poland/Periodization. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 23:35, 27 Nov 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Enlargement

I managed to add some information and some pictures to the article. You are welcome to look at my German article on the same subject. I have created a link. --Alexvonf 13:36, 11 Apr 2005 (UTC)

But why was this article moved from the correct name to where it is now? The name of the state was Kingdom of Poland and regency was simply the governing body. We could similarily move United States of America to Congress United States of America... Halibutt 16:50, Apr 11, 2005 (UTC)

I have never heard the term 'regency' used, at least not in Polish. Alexvonf, compare this change on how to use interwiki links. Tnx for expanding the article. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 21:42, 11 Apr 2005 (UTC)

I would also like to point out that the Polish term suggested in the intro (królestwo regencyjne) seems completely new to me and I never heard such a name. And it's used by exactly one page. Compare it with the correct (IMO) term. Halibutt 07:37, Apr 12, 2005 (UTC)

that is because you all are too young. The term generally used for this period in the 50ties when I learned history was Krolestwo Regencyjne and it was also the term in usage during the 2nd Republic. I admit that the official name was Krolestwo Polskie, but there were too many Krolestwa Polskie, this was the only one that did not have a King but a Council in his place. Krolestwo regencyjne was used as contrast to Krolestwo Kongresowe--Alexvonf 09:13, 12 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Young as we may be, Wikipedia is also young and thus it prefers to use the term more widely used today - and Google is an important reference tool (see Help:Page name and Wikipedia:Naming conventions). See [1], a useful tool for comparison of names popularity. Or please city books (preferably newer ones), in ENGLISH, that use that term? --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 11:07, 12 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Finally, if the proper name of the state was Kingdom of Poland, then the whole Regency Kingdom thingie served simply as sort of a disambiguation. IMO if we have to use some disambiguation, then the dates would do. Halibutt 11:34, Apr 12, 2005 (UTC)

Wsadził kij w gniazdo os...Do whatever you like, I was taught to use the term "Krolestwo Regencyjne" and do not care if other people prefer another term. If you so desire, move the article again to Kingdom of Poland (Regency 1916-1918), this title should be satisfactory to all. By the way, Halibutt, you seem to be from Warsaw, do you know where in Powazki Rydz-Smigly lies? I shall be in Warsaw almost three weeks in May and would like to take some photographs of burial places of people of whom I wrote. --Alexvonf 14:24, 12 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Well for me any of the following would do:

• Kingdom of Poland
• Kingdom of Poland (Mitteleuropa)
• Kingdom of Poland (1916-1918)
• Kingdom of Poland (regency)
• Kingdom of Poland (WWI)

However, the version with the dates seem the best, especially that it's in accordance with other articles on Polish statehood.

Halibutt 16:00, Apr 12, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Picture of Carl Stephan

Given that the Archduke was never actually offered the crown, is the picture of him appropriate? I'd add that I'd prefer the title Kingdom of Poland (1916-1918), although I did change a redirect to go here instead of there. john k 05:30, 12 Apr 2005 (UTC)

he was offered the crown several times, although not in an official way, as his cousin Emperor Charles I of Austria himself wanted to become a Polish King and unite Congress Poland with Galicia, Lodomeria and parts of Lithuania (Vilna) and White Russia. C. Stephan's candidature was strongly supported by Wilhelm II, his ally Ferdinand I of Bulgaria and the King of Saxony, Friedrich August III, who resigned the rights of the House of Wettin to the Polish crown (as established by the Constitution of May 3rd). During the 2nd Polish Republic Carl Stephan and after him his eldest son Carl Albrecht (Polish Karol Olbracht, he was a Polish citizen and Major General) stood as firm candidates to the throne and were supported by the Monarchist movement, which was not so weak as one might assume today. The facts I quoted are taken from "60 Jahre Politik und Gesellschaft", Berlin 1936, by Count Hutten-Czapski, who was an important eye witness to all events occuring during the time of Regency Kingdom. --Alexvonf 09:05, 12 Apr 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Article name change

Would anyone object to my moving the article to Regency Kingdom of Poland? This would make it more consistent with the other Polish statehood articles. Appleseed 22:12, 11 October 2005 (UTC)

I just noticed the discussion above; I still think that Regency Kingdom of Poland is preferable because it doesn't use dates, and it avoids the ambigious term Kingdom of Poland. Does everyone still think that the current version if preferable? Appleseed 22:18, 11 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Anti-German

This article is quite blatantly anti-German. All sources I have read mention specifically that the Germans avoided abuse of Polish populations, and there was even plans of cession of the Austrian province of Galicia to the new Polish state (though these dissapated somewhat when the Austrian claimant was stalled). The source listed for the quote seems to be rather biased, and I don't know if it can be trusted (for one thing, it talks of settling Belgians in Mesopotamia... which seems rather unlikely considering that Mesopotamia would be under the domain of the German-allied Ottoman Empire, who wouldn't be particularly interested in it). --24.147.128.141 01:40, 8 April 2006 (UTC)

My understanding is that Galicia would only have been included if the so-called "Austro-Polish" solution had gone through, in which the Austrian Emperor also became King of Poland. john k 04:09, 8 April 2006 (UTC)

Please quote your sources. The quote is rather old, but it seems valid.--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus ^Talk 04:30, 8 April 2006 (UTC)

I don't know- the source seems to be an American propaganda document. --24.147.128.141 01:59, 9 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] So where's the source for germanisation?

Please provide the source for the info or leave it out. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 162.83.174.162 (talk • contribs) 04:48, 1 May 2006 (UTC).

Walcott's opinion is not a credible source. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 162.83.174.162 (talk • contribs) 04:56, 1 May 2006 (UTC).

Why? What sources state that Walcott is not credible?--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus ^Talk 15:49, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

I added further sources supporting this. --Molobo 14:23, 11 May 2006 (UTC)