Talk:Kingdom of Greece

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

	This article is within the scope of the WikiProject Greece; If you would like to join us, please visit the project page; if you have any questions, please consult the FAQ.
Start	This article has been rated as Start-Class on the quality scale (If you rated the article please give a short summary at comments to explain the ratings and/or to identify the strengths and weaknesses.)
Additional information: This article has been checked against the following criteria for B-Class status: Referencing and citation: not checked Coverage and accuracy: not checked Structure: not checked Grammar: not checked Supporting materials: not checked

	This article is within the scope of WikiProject Former Countries, a collaborative effort to improve Wikipedia's coverage of now-defunct states. If you would like to participate, visit the project page to join.
???	This article has not yet received a rating on the quality scale. (FAQ).
Additional information: This article has been checked against the following criteria for B-Class status: Referencing and citation: not checked Coverage and accuracy: not checked Structure: not checked Grammar: not checked Supporting materials: not checked To fill out this checklist, please add the following to the template call: <!-- 1. It is suitably referenced, and all major points are appropriately cited. --> |B-Class-1=yes/no <!-- 2. It reasonably covers the topic, and does not contain major omissions or inaccuracies. --> |B-Class-2=yes/no <!-- 3. It has a defined structure, including a lead section and one or more sections of content. --> |B-Class-3=yes/no <!-- 4. It is free from major grammatical errors. --> |B-Class-4=yes/no <!-- 5. It contains appropriate supporting materials, such as an infobox, images, or diagrams. --> |B-Class-5=yes/no
WP Former Countries - Things to do: Open tasks for WikiProject Former countries      Edit Correct links: Correct any wikilinks that you find anywhere on Wikipedia where the link is to the wrong version of the state. Some examples of bad links: Referring to the former Free City of Lübeck (an independent entity for 711 years), but the link goes to the modern city of Lübeck. Referring to Napoleon's France, where the link instead goes to modern France. Create redirects: If the article for the correct state does not yet exist, create a redirect to the nearest existing article (if possible) and place {{WPFC|class=Needed}} on the redirect's talk page. Whether or not a redirect has been created, list the wanted article below under "Needed". Article improvement After performing any of these tasks, re-rate the entry via the WPFC banner, and remove the article from the relevant list. Expand: Confederation of the Rhine, Straits Settlements, Belgian Congo, Free City of Lübeck, Kingdom of Ireland, North German Confederation, Spanish East Indies Stubs: Adamawa Emirate, Baranya-Baja Republic, Kingdom of Redonda, Piratini Republic, United States of Colombia Needed: Kingdom of Bavaria Nyasaland Assess: Anjouan, Austrian Empire, German East Africa, Orange Free State Articles requiring particular elements After providing the requested element, please remove the relevant tag from the article's WPFC banner and remove the article from this list. Flag: Alta California, Baranya-Baja Republic, Bishopric of Liège, Duchy of Lucca, Lordship of Ireland, Mexican Empire Coat of Arms: Adamawa Emirate, Anjouan, Baranya-Baja Republic, Confederation of the Equator, New Spain, West Florida Map: Baranya-Baja Republic, California Republic, Republic of Manitoba Venezuela (second republic) Infobox: Anjouan, Baranya-Baja Republic, Belgian Congo, Kingdom of Chile, Orange Free State Quality watch: 11 FA-Class former country articles - 8 GA-Class former country articles.

[edit] Merger of Kingdom of Greece, First Kingdom of Greece

Someone put a merger proposal for these two articles. However she/he didn't start a discussion, so here it is.

I disagree with the merger. I believe that "Kingdom of Greece" should be a disambiguation page, referring to two articles, one for each of the kingdoms (Otto's and the Glucksbergs'). As a side note, I believe the same should be done with the History of the Hellenic Republic article -a disambiguation to seperate articles for all three republics.--Michalis Famelis (talk) 12:09, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

I think that's a good idea and would support that proposal. Should we start adding "Move" requests to the relevant articles? --Kimon^talk 12:58, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

As far as I am aware, in terms of historical nomenclature, there is no "first" or "second" Kingdom of Greece, unlike the Republics. The current article considers the entire period 1933-1922 as a single entity, separate from 1935-1973, which is wrong. I would prefer, like Michalis, a separation between the Othonian and the Georgian-Glücksburg Kingdoms (1863-1924 and as restored in 1935-1967/73), as indeed they were very different entities in their nature. The "First Kingdom etc" article would provide a good starting point, which is why I too oppose the merger. But in order to separate into pre-1862 and post-1863 Kingdoms, we would have to "invent" the relevant terminology, for which I don't have any good proposals (perhaps "Kingdom of Greece (House of Wittelsbach)", "Kingdom of Greece (House of Glücksburg)"?). I think that for the first period, it could be sufficient to link to the article on King Otto, who either way dominated and defined it. BTW, concerning the Republics, there already exists an article on the First Hellenic Republic, which is in need of great expansion. Regards, Cplakidas 16:46, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

Since there isn't a standardized nomenclature on the Kingdoms, then the best way to differentiate between the two would indeed be by royal house (Wittelsbach & Glücksburg). As for linking the first period to Otto, it may be enough to begin with but, I would think that an article the covers the period in its entirety should be considered. Some of the information in the Otto of Greece article can be brought into this article (e.g. Parties, finances and the church). --Kimon^talk 18:35, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

I support merging these two articles as there is no need for the distinction between the periods of the Monarchy (1832-1922) and (1935-1974). Remember part of this article is about "former countries," so to the extent that the "Kingdom of Greece" no longer exists, we should capture the structure of that former government. Accordingly, before September 3rd and after is a more significant distinction, IMHO.

As far as distinguishing the two dynasties, (which many editors seem to want) I would prefer two seperate articles that deal with each family as Cplakidas proposes. (BTW, sorry for not starting the discussion--my bad) Argos'Dad 21:20, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

I agree that the term "Kingdom of Greece" refers to a former country and therefore warrants an article. Maybe what would make more sense would be a more refined series of articles on the history of modern Greece. Something along the lines of "History of Greece (1830-1922)", "History of Greece (1922-1967)" etc. --Michalis Famelis (talk) 22:14, 30 March 2007 (UTC)