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[edit] Last King of Scotland

There is a difference between claiming that one is King of the Germans and that a Kingdom of Germany existed. If no verfiable reliable source is given that the Kingdom of Germany existed as a functioning state (to use the modern expression), along the lines of contemporary France, Denmark or England, this article should either become a redirect or this article should be moved to King of the Germans and an explanation that this was an assumed title by abc-xyz. --Philip Baird Shearer 10:12, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

Well, we can squibble about the name all day long but the Kingdom clearly existed. To somehow link this to Idi Amin is bizarre. Str1977 ^{(smile back)} 10:51, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

It was to make a point, Amin calimed to be the King of Scotland. Just because he claimed it, does not make it so. If the Kingdom of Germany existed then there should be lots of references to it. Which do you think is the best source that can be used as a reference? --Philip Baird Shearer 12:17, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

That a Kingdom existed can be found in any textbook on medievel history. Regarding your point, while Idi Amin claimed to be King of Scotland he never ruled there. On the other hand, the most difficult thing about this Kingdom is the title: most of the rulers never called themselved anything like "King of Germany" - the prevailing title would be "King of the Romans". However, that doesn't change that the Kingdom existed. Str1977 ^{(smile back)} 13:46, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

Which English language text book?

• Encyclopædia Britannica Eleventh Edition does not seem to have an entry under that name and they were really keen on that sort of thing.
• http://www.britannica.com/ does not have an entry for the Kingdom of Germany that I could find.
• The only reference I could find in Columbia Encyclopedia, Sixth Edition was an entry under Ottonian art "art produced (c.900–1050) in the East Frankish kingdom of Germany known, after the emperors Otto (936–1002), as the Ottonian kingdom."

A Google search on the string returns very small samples:

• about 29 English pages for "Kingdom of Germany" site:edu
• 12 English pages from ac.uk for "Kingdom of Germany" -- most of those seem to reference Gillingham, J., The Kingdom of Germany in the High Middle Ages (900-1200) (London, 1971).

--Philip Baird Shearer 18:15, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

Which do you think is the best source that can be used as a reference? I don't know, what the best source for the existence of the Roman Empire? But it seems like you've found your reference anyway. I'll just add it. Srnec 18:34, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

It is not a reference because has not been used as one. You have made large changes to this page [1] what did you use as a source? --Philip Baird Shearer 20:28, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

Sourced and cited. It is taken for granted by many authors that a kingdom of Germany existed in the Middle Ages. Why else all the references to kings of Germany if there was no such kingdom? Srnec 20:51, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

Have you read the sources that you cited? If you did why did you not add them when you add then when you made large changes to this page [2] --Philip Baird Shearer 16:30, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

Of course I read them! How else did I find out the information (w/ enumeration) that they contained? I didn't add them originally because I thought the existence of the German kingdom was textbook stuff. Srnec 22:22, 18 February 2007 (UTC)