Talk:King of the Gypsies

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This article brings together knowledge acquired on the periphery of my main research interests. I thought it would be useful to bring together many disparate references, and some which refer to people who may not have been called King of the Gypsies but were clearly very similar in role to people who had. There is insufficient space to investigate the social and political context in which it used, though in some cases it is obvious. Most of these would not justify an article on their own, cross-referenced to a category. I have included clearly fictional characters because they inform the context. My main knowledge is Britain. I am aware that in a wider context sections need expanding. I am aware of the Gypsy/Roma issue. As this is an article recording history, not a current work of sociology I think it is right to use the term as used at the time. GBH 14:01, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Retitle

Some gramaticle edits are needed, but I'll tend to those myself. In a few cases it's hard to tell what the author was trying to say, so additional refernces may be needed.

I would also move to have this page retitled, as only a few of the individuals mentioned were called —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 206.213.251.31 (talk) 20:59, 19 February 2007 (UTC).

Please do NOT retitle. The referral of the heads of 'gypsie' clans at 'Kings' or 'Queens' has a history to it, in a large number of countries. There are also more that can be included as the article grows. As well, the titles you suggest are racist stereotypes. While there have been criminal elements regarging various 'gypsy' clans, it would be no more accurate than saying all Italians were connected to the mafia. AGF and all. -- Kavri 11:51, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

As the original author I was not trying to say anything, just to record what I knew, and provide an opportunity for those who know more to add - that's what Wikipedia is all about.

There is a history of cross cultural use of 'King of The Gypsies', or perhaps use by a sub culture within larger cultures. 'Kings of Thieves' and 'Lords of Missrule' are not the same; they have specific different meanings, unrelated to 'King of the Gypsies'. GBH 19:19, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] please keep article

I ran across this article when taking stock of what information on the 'Gypsies' was in Wikipedia. There are a number of articles: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gypsies which also includes links to articles on each sub-group, as does the following: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roma_People

I hope that in fixing the issue with the template that the article can be kept...while it needs a lot of work, it adds further information to the other articles. As well, there is an article on Peter Maas, who wrote "King of the Gypsies" and it has a great deal of information in it regarding the "Gypsies" in the United States, including the 'Kings' and 'Queens'.

I hope to do some work on all the above articles, and have an excellent resource book for the topic as well. -- Kavri 11:47, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

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