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The discography section was partially written by Michael. It can't be blanked, because that would be blanking substantial edits by other users, so it'll need to be checked instead. Guanaco 02:34, 22 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Facts checked via google search +"King Diamond" +discography Multiple sites had to be used because they rarely agree with each other (missing albums here and there) but a majority agrees with the current list. The Dark sides is variously listed as 1988, 1989 or 1990, but the wikipedia article lists it at 1988, so I guess we can go with that. -Vina 20:52, 8 Sep 2004 (UTC)


This page needs to be split up in two pages: one for Kind Diamond (person/singer) and one for the band. The main article imo should be the band. Spearhead 15:52, 31 Dec 2004 (UTC)

I have no idea what i'm doing as far as wikipedia goes, but wanted to mention that all King Diamond albums except for Fatal Portrait and Spider's Lullabye are horror concept albums, and those two that aren't have half their content dedicated to the horror concept. also some mention should be made of Andy Laroque the guitar player for king's band, one of the few bandmembers to stay in the band, and a totally amazing soloist iamnobody2

Regarding this sentence: "Many modern scholars have compared King's lyrics to the poetry of Ann Bradstreet, especially, "Abigail" and "Abigail II: the revenge"." Is this really true, and could we get some references to this?

"He despises Saxon."
Saxon is a disambiguation page. Perhaps the link should be fixed to go to the saxon he hates. Unless he hates Saxon in general? GoneWacko 18:11, 18 January 2006 (UTC)

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[edit] Cleanup

This article needs cleanup. A lot of it. It may even be complete bollocks, at the moment.

  1. large extent pioneered the genre of black metal
  2. varying from creepy and low
  3. A typical brilliant feature
  4. who King Diamond was not ripping off at all (whom, obviously)
  5. had problems with his less intelligent band menbers (members, obviously)
  6. sacrifices King Diamond was making, of their pets

I'd also like to see some proof of notability, and proven salvageable, or I will suggest this article be deleted. -- Ec5618 23:49, 18 January 2006 (UTC)

I agree. much of it doesnt make sense, and is completely biased. It needs to be re-written by somebody/a team who has the knowledge and ability to write this from a nuetral standpoint and present only facts.

Hello, I've edited the article to remove pov, flesh out a few details and generally make the article seem more neutral. Does anyone still think the tag should stay? 207.6.31.119 08:48, 3 February 2006 (UTC)


Regarding: A distinct feature of Mercyful Fate is that the lyrics and music on the albums melt together as one story - features present already in "The Fatal Portrait" album, but carried to more intricate levels with the album "Them ", and its sequel, "Conspiracy".

None of these are Mercyful Fate albums. They are all, in fact, King Diamond albums. The Mercyful Fate albums were not so cohesive with their stories. Albums like Melissa and Don't Break The Oath (Mercyful Fate albums,) had a fairly random collection of stories within them, whereas most (but not all,) of the King Diamond albums had a cohesion and a steady flow from beginning to end and sometimes from album to album. And though not all of the King Diamond albums flowed together like a series, most of them had a very particular theme or story specific to that album.

And I believe that Fatal Portrait was unique, though Abigail, Them and Conspiracy were a series.

Something that might also be touched up on regarding Mercyful Fate, and specifically King Diamond's influence within the band, is who (or what) Melissa was on stage. The band had a skull with elk-like horns, which they named "Melissa." --stotch 01:55, 4 February 2006 (UTC)

I adjusted the paragraph dealing with the themed albums so that it no longer implies that those albums (Portrait, Them, Conspiracy) were Mercyful Fate albums.
As far as "Melissa" goes, I'm only marginally familiar with these two bands so I don't know much about some of the mythology that they incorporated into their shows. If you feel "Melissa" is noteworthy, perhaps add it. We should keep in mind, though, that this article is about Diamond the man rather than either of his bands. Is Melissa mentioned on the Mercyful Fate page? 207.6.31.119 05:43, 4 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Removal of tag

Does anyone feel the neutrality tag is still needed? I'll remove it in a day or two unless someone objects. 207.6.31.119 19:52, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Proposal

Yes I know I'm boring. I was thinking that we could somewhat shorten the article by moving the extensive discography listing to the King Diamond (band) page, and keep only the essential here. Most of it is overlaping and there is no info about singles on the band page. We could also add a link like For exstensive discography listing see the King Diamond (band) page. So if anybody is going to view this proposal at all, please add your comment. Thank you. Death2 23:23, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

Merge the discographies into the bands article or even a separate article and remove it from this article Spearhead 13:06, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
Completly? Death2 21:22, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
probably best to make a separate article of disco's for both MF and KD (band) and link to these. Then the lists can be removed. BTW wasn't it an option to remove the iconic images.table also from the discos? Spearhead 21:53, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
Yes but for Andy LaRocque, and that's done already. Since the discography will be in the new page we don't have to remove the table necessarily. See Fireball_Ministry for an alternative type of discography tables also. Death2 22:13, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

plus, king diamond fuckin rules

[edit] Satanism

This section is totally confusing. It was obviously written by one person, then edited badly by another person in disagreement. I know a bit about LaVeyan satanism and even I am scratching my head. --Storkk 18:05, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

Indeed it is confusing, but you must know that LaVey's church has nothing to do with satan or the devil or hate against christ and such things. Satanic religion is all about "men", men are their own god and satan. So if you look at it that way, that's why it may look a little bit contradictory.

- It is known that the members of Venom were not Satanists, and that they used Satanism only for artistic purposes. But it is wrong to describe these purposes as including parody, as the article suggests. A parody, I would say, is an imitation whose intent is to poke fun at the thing imitated. And certainly the intent of Venom's music was not to have people laugh at Satanic music or Satanism, even if they and their audience sometimes laughed about the hyperbolic quality of the lyrics. Analogously, it was surely not the intent of John Carpenter, in making 'Halloween,' to have people think that serial killing is laughable, even if he and his audiences sometimes laughed about the hyperbolic quality of the film. An artistic device may be judged silly, but that does not make the art a parody. Sikender 13:35, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

- Note that the article says that Venom's parodic satanism falls under the heading of "intentional or not". This implies that although the BAND may not have intended its lyrics and image to be parodic, many people take it as such.--MarshallStack 05:09, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Growl?

Since when does KD growl? I've never heard him do it, despite that I have most of his album with KD and MF The only part that comes to my mind that might be considered is from 15 Men (and a bottle of Rum) of MF's Into The Unknown. For the rest is simple a mid-range clean vocal style mixed with falsetto. Spearhead 21:43, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

--- King Diamond did alot of growling in early Mercyful Fate. On Melissa, The beginning, and Return of the Vampire his growing is consistant and used just as much as his mid range and falsetto. Are you sure you really have his albums? I mean, on "In a mansion in darkness" The line "IT SEEMED TO BE ALIVE" is growling, as is "A GIANT SHADOW". I thought his growling was pretty blatant?

King does use a VERY deep, low and demonic voice, similar to Reagan in The Exorcist when she is possessed, in most of his albums. He uses it for the Puppet Masters voice in his new Puppet Master DVD where he reads the story. This is what the author means when he calls it "growling.'


== Also, listen to The Family Ghost... "Stillborn...born...born..." is clearly growling. --Skullfission 08:03, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] The Whole Satanism Ordeal.

Look I am not the biggest King Diamond fan, I however love black metal. As well as being a former Satanist. This page needs help however it seems whoever did write this was not as educated as they had thought. Curiosity calls what is the big deal about the Satanism thing? He is displaying Satanism how Anton La Vey had portrayed it in the Satanic Bible. If you have read the book you cannot tell me that you never noticed how every 20 or so pages he normally contradicted almost everything he had just said. Look another thing is that the Satanism doesn’t have a whole lot to do with Lucifer because it is the Fear tactic that Anton La Vey, had been using the whole wear your crosses because I said I was a Satanist. He refers to the beast, which is who you are. Satanism is a chauvinist religion. In most aspects, beyond that does it really matter if King Diamond was a Satanist or not. It is confusing at the same time you really expect him to explain Satanism? Seriously if you have never been one you do not know what it is like to deal with self righteous Christians. Next you get to explain yourself. It is redundant and by the end you are so fed up with being told how wrong you are and how right they are you end up walking away. Keep in mind what I said about the Satanic Bible and tell me if I am wrong I haven't read this book in years. If I remember correctly it is a lot of contradiction. That is my stand on this whole thing if anyone reads this and perhaps learns then I am happy if I am thought of as wrong. I am not going to lose any sleep over it. Thank you for reading it Fuck you if you do not care Peace, --Tbowar@kauffman.navy.mil 03:05, 13 November 2006 (GMT -500 Canda and Eastern US Coast)

[edit] King Diamond and Dialga?

I want to post something about the Pokemon Dialga resembling King Diamond. Before you ask, my source was this[1].--67.87.66.127 01:25, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

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