Talk:Kinder, Küche, Kirche

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What IS the most common permutation of this phrase? Yubyub 23:01, 4 May 2005 (UTC)

I just got the following Google hits:

• Kinder, Küche, Kirche - 16,700
• Küche, Kirche, Kinder - 819
• Kinder, Kirche, Küche - 685
• Küche, Kinder, Kirche - 561
• Kirche, Kinder, Küche - 494
• Kirche, Küche, Kinder - 281

I'll change the title and the opening sentence accordingly. --Angr/_{tɔk tə mi} 18:32, 21 September 2005 (UTC)

I'm from germany and lived all my life here. The "three K's" are not a common phrase in germany. Actually I read about them here on the us-site of wiki for the first time and never heard about that before. Also there is no women discrimination. Maybe the facts about buisiness are right, but womens have and use absolutely the same rights as men. This is also written down in the Basic Constitutional Law of germany and you can go to law if you are treaten wrong like one woman did in 2001 who wanted to go to the bundeswehr (military).

My dear countryman,

yes, the the three Ks should not be seen as a description of current situations, despite some discrimination occuring (but that's nothing spectecular)

the three Ks are a common phrase, though are meant polemically against such containing women in certain spheres.

the case of the Bundeswehr woman however is different, as it was the European court that forced Germany to allow her as a soldier, quite a problematic verdict IMHO, given that this in effect overrode the German constitution. Str1977 ^{(smile back)}

[edit] Too much Nazi/Hitler

Yes, Nazis encouraged that babys are being born, and so did (or do) other politicians and governments, actively or passively. But the church connection is wrong, the Nazis tried to replace Christain beliefs with their own, pagan ideas. The article needs to shift focus to post WW2 use. --Matthead 11:19, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

The phrase predated the Nazis, but the Nazis did use it in their propaganda. Therefore, it is appropriate to include it here. The article addresses post WW2 use, but most references to this expression note that this was the belief of the Nazis. See for example this article--Thalia42 11:38, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

Where did the Nazis use this exact phrase in their propaganda? I'm German and I'm not aware of any example, do you have one? Otherwise remove the part about the "use of the 3 Ks in propaganda".--84.188.191.130 15:54, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

The Nazis certainly did not use this in propaganda. This never was used in propaganda as it is quite a polemic phrase. And in its origins it wasn't intended so much to restrict women but to allow men to leave these "jobs" to their wives and concentrate on "more important fields" like politics and pubs. Later the term was used to criticize the restriction of women to these fields. As far as your link goes, it doesn't provide evidence that the Nazis used it - rather it is one more example of using the term to criticize something. Str1977 ^{(smile back)} 10:58, 3 October 2006 (UTC)