Talk:Kim (novel)

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[edit] Children's lit ???

This is a classic coming of age story. In the book I read on Kipling, I remember this being described as one of the stories outside of the children's lit which was free of the self-conscienceness that often marred his work. That is not an exact quote as I do not own that book. But I am curious what sources classify this novel as children's lit.--Birgitte§β ʈ Talk 03:33, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

not maybe Kipling's intention but hardly without looking far I came across many references to Kim and included in lists and recommendations as Children's literature. :: Kevinalewis : ^{(Talk Page)}/_(Desk) 09:12, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

I am not trying to guess Kipling's intentiion. I am claiming it is not classified as children's lit by the critics who write books on Kipling's works. I think there is a tendency by modern readers to consider many Victorian books as "for children" because the Victorian culture avoided many topics that would be considered "adult" today. I can believe this book may appear on book lists for children today, but that doesn't necessarily mean it is "children's literature". And it certainly doesn't mean it is "19th century children's literature" which implies that it was classified as children's lit in the 19th century. But I am still curious as to exactly which sources classify this novel as children's lit.--Birgitte§β ʈ Talk 17:28, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

Considering the novel's vocab and sentence construction, I find it hard to believe it could be considered children's lit today; circa 1900, perhaps. This begs the larger question: perhaps we need to expand the Literary significance section/provide a thematic analysis, etc? Having recently read it, I've noticed a great many aspects. Hide&Reason 12:15, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

Although people may reccomend it for children today. Literary critics do not classify it as children's lit. What I mean by that is in books written about Kipling's works certain texts are classified as children's works and this is not one of them. I will get some sources this weekend. I do not know why you find the vocab simpler than other period works, but I do not. I have never tried to judge sentance structure before. The only thing that I believe makes it seem "juvenile" is that it makes such an effort to explain many aspects British India. However this explanation is not because of the young age of the audience but rather because of the unfamiliarity of the audience with India or the East in general. Read the section of the old soldier telling his part in the "Munitiny", a subject which every newspaper reading British citizen would be familiar with in detail no matter where they were located. This is part is quite hard for modern readers since he suddenly stops giving such detailed explanations. This style he used in introducing the readers to an unfamiliar culture and territory is often credited with being a major influence on science fiction works. It does not signify a juvenile audience.--Birgitte§β ʈ Talk 13:32, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

I just re-read Hide&Reason's response. My above reply was made when I thought he was saying this is childrens's lit today. I don't know how I misread that so badly.--Birgitte§β ʈ Talk 13:40, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

that would be the ==Major themes== section. :: Kevinalewis : ^{(Talk Page)}/_(Desk) 12:18, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Cover for the infobox

I bought the Penguin Modern Classics edition of Kim recently. I presume scanning it for WP purposes constitutes Fair Use, so I'll get on it shortly. Hide&Reason 12:16, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

Why not use a public domain edition since they are available? Fair Use should only be used when there is no other option.--Birgitte§β ʈ Talk 13:36, 22 September 2006 (UTC)