Talk:Kilkenny

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Contents 1 Ballylinch Estate 2 Beamish 3 Sport 4 City 5 Smallest City 6 Cities in Ireland 7 Merger

[edit] Ballylinch Estate

The only Ballylinch I know is the studfarm that forms part of Mt.Juliet Estate. If so it is over 10kms from Kilkenny City and is not relevant to this article. I've removed this entry as its incorrect and also seems to be a verbatim copy of content on another site. --MickMac 10:23, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Beamish

Just a thought - is Beamish stout not brewed in Kilkenny also?

Zoney 23:51, 27 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Nay, it's brewed in Cork.

Quentin Peigné.

[edit] Sport

I've moved sport to County Kilkenny as it refers to county Kilkenny. CGorman 22:20, 8 Mar 2005 (UTC)

[edit] City

Sorry guys, but Kilkenny is just a town.

Read this [1] currently law of the state, in particular:

(7) This section is without prejudice to the continued use of the description city in relation to Kilkenny, to the extent that that description was used before the establishment day and is not otherwise inconsistent with this Act.

Whilst Kilkenny does not have the status of city for administrative purposes, it may none the less be discribed as a city. Djegan 17:43, 3 August 2005 (UTC)

The above quotation of the law accepts that Kilkenny is a city, at least in name, as it is refered to as such. Any former capital is a city.

[edit] Smallest City

Tying in with the above, isn't "Ireland's smallest city" something akin to the "world's tallest midget"? 71.244.133.88 19:25, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

I have updated the way the population is presented, fundementally the only important figures are those for the city itself, i.e. the area of the council as by law defined. "Environs" is a meaningless term in modern society. Djegan 18:11, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

Re "environs" -- this is not meaningless, but is precisely defined by the CSO for all the cities. The figures for all the cities are drawn from the relevant CSO tables (Table 5, Volume 1 of the Census, http://www.cso.ie/census/documents/vol1_t5.pdf). BrendanH 21:23, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

Certain I see those figures now. My main contention was that someone was incorrectly comparing Kilkenny (city+environs) with Armagh (city) and thus determining that Armagh was smaller. Djegan 21:49, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

For your information I changed the figures for the cities of Armagh and Kilkenny. It is irrelevent really who cares about figures, I'm sure we've all better things to do like go outside where our computers aren't. I hgave spent much time in both cities, and it is obvious that Kilkenny is in fact larger, geographically it's larger than Newry aswell, the only reason Armagh is considered bigger is because Armagh's boundaries exceed the physical city limits, "Armagh City" extends into the country side and continues for about 10km into green fields- this isn't a city. Whereas Kilkenny City Limits end before the actual city does, Kilkenny is actually a Borough and for some unknown reason a Borough's borders cannot ever be altered- thus why Kilkenny's population is officially 8,500 roughly. This population does not inlcude over half the city! It is for this reason it seems better to include the whoile city. This is also the case for Limerick which has a population around 93,000, but because part of the city falls outside the city council border, lying in Co. Clare it is never acknowledged as part of Limerick, which has a supposed 54,000 within city council-but you're excluding over 40,000 people! Armagh is absolutely tiny, I once got lost trying to find Armagh itself- now how could you miss an entire city??? Because it's tiny that's how! Armagh is no bigger than Maynooth. Armagh is definitely the smallest city in Ireland. Kilkenny's acutal population including parts of the city whic fall outside the old borough council border drawn pre 1900 is roughly 26,000. Let's be real if Dublin's population inclues areas outside city council than why canb't Cork, Limerick, Kilkenny and any other city?

"and for some unknown reason a Borough's borders cannot ever be altered" could you cite a source for this, to me it seams like utter nonsense. This is the real world where men can change the laws, since when was the Oireachtas prevented from changing the boundary of a borough or indeed creating or abolishing them altogether. Sources, not bizzard claims, please.
Djegan 18:18, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Cities in Ireland

A discussion at talk:cities in Ireland which effects Kilkenny on these pages. Comments welcome. Djegan 17:58, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

Unfortunately it appears content (irrespective of quality) is now determined by straw votes, see Talk:Cities in Ireland. Comments welcome. Djegan 19:29, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Merger

A formal discussion is not an absolute requirement on a merger proposal, indeed a proposal is not required to merge, but a consensus is ideal in controversial cases. Theirfore I say move forward and merge The Marble City directly in without discussion and use it as a redirect as it is not going to be controversial. A clear cut case for merger without discussion. Djegan 23:31, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

I agree. Michael O' Carroll 19:30, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

I agree Hughsheehy 15:15, 26 January 2007 (UTC)