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Needs disambiguation (at least to Khoja Nasruddin/Juha), plus an initial sentence explaining this. Given the broad meaning of "Khoja", I suspect these guys are not the only people it describes...- Mustafaa 00:19, 28 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Not quite sure how to go about that as I'm pretty new to the game. Thanks for giving the article the once over. I've always known Nasruddin as a mulla rather than a khoja - must be a sociological revelation in there somwhere! Juha conjures up wonderful memories of arabic classes all those years ago and periodically asking the teacher the arabic for dentures. Leo Africanus 00:49, 28 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Contents 1 Nizari Khoja's not very well discussed 2 Clarifying 3 Misleading Opening Sentence 4 Subdivisions

[edit] Nizari Khoja's not very well discussed

This article barely discusses the Nizari Khoja's which are one of the more populace branches of Khojas.

For some unbiased information, I suggest looking at: http://philtar.ucsm.ac.uk/encyclopedia/islam/shia/ismal.html http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ismaili

Also, this article is completely biased and uses poetic language to describe the plight of Khojas. This is not appropriate for Wikipedia.

[edit] Clarifying

Once again, I apologize for putting a rude general notice on without listing my reasons. Most of them are simply concerned with word choice -- words that have positive connotations used where ones with neutral ones would do -- and this is probably unconscious on the part of the author. Here they are specifically:

The beginning

"enlightened" implies that Pir Sadruddin is correct; "began to preach" or something along those lines would be better

"celebrated" implies that the actions are positive; "famous" or "well-known" would be better

Jamaat Khanah

"exclusive and secretive" -- "exclusive" implies a sense of superiority. It might be better to recast this sentence, saying something like "Only members of the Muslim shia Nizari Ismaili community are allowed to enter the Jamaat Khanah..." (This is why I couldn't edit this page myself; because I don't know what the Jamaat Khanah is, I'm not exactly sure how to use it in a sentence.)

Retention of Identity

"persistant perseverence" is a choice of words praising the Khojas. Could a neutral way of saying this be found?

Beyond Africa

"young Khojas had braved the monsoons" gives a VERY positive feeling toward the Khojas. Perhaps statistics or simple facts would be more appropriate for this section.

To clarify, I don't by any means think that NEGATIVE words should be used; that's not what I'm saying at all. But in an encyclopedic article, NEUTRAL is best.

Thanks for listening, Ericka Dawn 22:46, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Misleading Opening Sentence

"Khoja (Urdu: خوجہ) community follows Nizari Ismaili Shia Islam and consider Aga Khan to be the Imam."

Later in the article this statement is contradicted when it speaks of khojas who dont follow this branch of islam. It should probably be scrapped.

[edit] Subdivisions

How can 3 sects of Islam (ithnashariy, ismaili, hanafi) be subdivisions of an ethnic group? I don't think that the subdivisions box is relevant unless we can find some sub-ethnic groups. --aliasad 05:56, 6 August 2006 (UTC)