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[edit] Against POV
Would it be against POV to call this guy a dickhead, a factually correct statement?
- Yes, it would. If we all started describing people in such terms (however much we thought them valid) this website would go to pot.
while i do agree with myers that we should remember the 50000 irishmen killed in world war one but unlike him i recognise the british empire was an evil institution based on greed and explotation and its right that ireland should also commemerate its fallen from the anglo irish war myers is what us irish call a west brit or english lover and is ever so slightly pompous he seems to be a feature on many irish tv and radio programmes paticuarly on newstalk where he spouts his usual rubbish Bouse23 12:26, 24 January 2007 (UTC) Bouse23 08:49, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
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- In this particular case I think we could almost make an exception. Ben-w 08:40, 5 November 2005 (UTC)
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- I disagree - even though I find Myers smug, self-congratulating and pompous, I think sticking to NPOV is far better, IMHO. Autarch 20:05, 17 May 2006 (UTC)
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Kevin Myers is the most interesting and intelligent columnist in Ireland today.
- No he isn't. Has he ever expressed a constructive idea? Ranting about everyone elses failing is all well and good but if you can't come up with original alternatives why should you be allowed to express yourself day after day (which is the nub of his problem I think, if it was once a week he might come up with something interesting)? And now hes on the bloody radio as well. And would someone please tell him he just isn't funnyKaptKos 14:31, 3 March 2006 (UTC)
Myers is anything but interesting: he is predictable, profoundly predictable. Within the past two months he even managed to link the IRA with the recently discovered CloneyClooney (sp?) bogman from thousands of years ago. That beat all, even his blaming of the victims on Bloody Sunday (thankfully the lawyers for the Bloody Sunday relatives got one of the most comprehensive apologies ever from The Irish Times over that). Many years ago a guy with an "English" surname, Jim Yates, wrote into The Irish Times supporting McAleese's refusal to attend the Dublin horseshow. Myers dedicated his next article to making ethnic slurs on Yates for (clearly) being an Irish republican but having an "English" surname. One read the article feeling that Yates had made or implied some ethnic comment. He did no such thing. It must have been four or five years later that The Irish Times issued an apology for that- what kept them? By Myers view, a guy with an English surname evidently should not be politically Irish. Who is he to tell somebody whether they can be Irish or not? Why does Myers feel so clearly betrayed that a guy with a non-Gaelic name should oppose aspects of British colonial trappings? Why does he so deeply resent an Irish nationalism that is inclusive of people with all sorts of surnames? In addition to this his other hobby horse is WW 1. On an almost quotidian basis he has been screaming about honouring those who died for the British Empire but he goes ballistic if the Irish state decides to honour those who died for Irish freedom. He believes the state which placed a million people in Concentration Camps and "enclosed villages" in Kenya in the 1950s, and tortured many thousands more, as David Anderson's new book shows, is morally superior to those who died for Irish freedom. And he then claims to base his argument against Irish republicans on morality despite this blatant moral inconsistency. Imperialism is fanaticism, but for the English-born and educated Myers (and his birth obviously does have immense bearing on his politics) those who use violence to overthrow the imperialist state are engaging in the only moral wrong. Intelligent? I think not. Oh, and just how much courage and integrity is required to bash Irish speakers and Travellers? Even Cruise O Brien, as equally obsessive about the IRA as he is, doesn't engage in that. Myers has, at the very, very least, fascist tendencies. El Gringo 15:28, 11 March 2006 (UTC)
- KM's writing is so involved, but it has no grace. And the people who insist it's funny/amusing are painful company. I guess he earns his crust by getting people's backs up, with the hope of flogging copies of the Irish Times and satisfying the advertisers - like Jeremy Clarkson in the Daily Telegraph, but without the laughs or the petrol-love.--shtove 02:31, 17 March 2006 (UTC)
- You can think what you like about him, even if what you're saying is right (and I don't agree with it), you still can't express your POV. You don't go to Adolf Hitler's page and see "Adolf Hitler was a bad man". You're also not supposed to be discussing Myers here at all except for how it relates to the article. Way to rape Wikipedia's policies. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 159.134.245.166 (talk) 18:40, 3 February 2007 (UTC).
I find many of the above comments offensive and distasteful. Myers is a controversialist, big deal. Every paper has one, there to offend. I think these kind of comments undermine the project's credibility, can be damaging to the subject, and am suggesting that they are removed. + Ceoil 22:33, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Revert 86.40.15.17
Reverted because POV and anon. The reason given by User:86.40.15.17 was "neither are legitimate or reasonable sources". Indymedia offers space for both positive and negative views of all subjects posted, hardly unreasonable and Myserswatch is designated as satirical in the article. I don't understand what "legitimate" means in this contextKaptKos 14:56, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
- Well according to Wikipedia:Verifiability#Self-published_sources they're not acceptable as sources since they're self-published (Myerswatch is a weblog, and Indymedia does not exercise editorial control over article contributions). However, they are not being cited as sources or references for any of the facts in the article, so I don't see any harm in leaving them in the "external links" section. Demiurge 15:19, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
- I should have stated that they were not being used as sources in the article, which was what I meant KaptKos 15:29, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
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- My link to Myerswatch has been deleted? It's a very valid link as many appended links are to blogs i.e. the link to christopherhitchenswatch on the wiki of the same journalist. This particular blog is certainly of a high standard and works as an archive of views on Myer's articles. Also, the satirical blog's name 'cruiskeen eile' is named after Myles na gCopaleens' newspaper column called Cruiskeen Law, which has it's own mocking origins.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myles_na_gCopaleen
Therefore I will reinsert the link to myerswatych http://myerswatch.blogspot.com/ I hope it will remain....
- The link is yet again absent. The history comments of the deleter, with respect to the popularity of said blog, is irrelevant as a barometer of inclusion of a link within the external link section of this or any other wikipedia entry. The quality of a satirical site, as with any other form of satirical media, is a subjective decision and again should not be a barrier to entry of something of direct relevance to the subject at hand, which the link above is. I therefore reinsert the link to myerswatch http://myerswatch.blogspot.com/
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- I'd be inclined to leave the blog link in. No, blogs aren't acceptable as sources on Wikipedia, but this blog isn't being presented as a source for any of the facts in the article, just as an "external link". Please comment here before deleting it again. Demiurge 09:28, 24 April 2006 (UTC)
[edit] He left the Irish Times?
This article says he left The IT for the Irish Independent. Does anybody know the background to this? El Gringo 02:15, 26 April 2006 (UTC)
Link to Daily Ireland article on Myers appearance on Tubridy Show provides some background to his move.
--Damnbutter 16:37, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
Hurray, now I can start to buy the Irish Times again--KaptKos 20:39, 17 May 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Just for the record...
Tá TG4 beo fos, agus níos láidre ná riamh. But where oh where is our Kevin Myers? Down at his appropriate intellectual and qualitative level would be my response. 193.1.172.163 02:54, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Photo
Have you ever seen a smugger git in your life? --KaptKos 09:39, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
- Ahh! Thats better --KaptKos 15:45, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Countess Markievicz
Can anyone help? I'm looking for an article by Myers about Countess Markievicz. In it, Myers maintains that when Markievicz was courtmartialled after the Easter Rising she pleaded for her life and said, "You can't shoot a woman". (Not true, incidentally; I've seen a copy of the courtmartial record, which is freely available from the Kew archives.) I've done the usual internet searches but can't locate the article. Anyone in here have a copy, or can point me to a publication and date? Muchos thanksus. Ryancolm 12:30, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
Colm, I'm not sure if you are still there but that article was written on December 17 2004. I'll cut and paste the entire article from Lexus Nexus Professional on your homepage. If you are in any university in Ireland you should be able to get access to that yourself. 89.100.195.42 13:03, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
Aaahhhh thank you, kind sir! Unfortunately I haven't access to Lexus Nexus, hence I'm grateful for your cut & paste. Thanks again. Ryancolm 13:50, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
