User talk:Kestenbaum

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[edit] Welcome, from Journalist

Welcome!

Hello, Kestenbaum, and welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are a few good links for newcomers:

I hope you enjoy editing here and being a Wikipedian! Please sign your name on talk pages using four tildes (~~~~); this will automatically produce your name and the date. If you need help, check out Wikipedia:Where to ask a question, ask me on my talk page, or place {{helpme}} on your talk page and someone will show up shortly to answer your questions. Again, welcome! Journalist (talk • contribs)

[edit] Amazed that no one has welcomed you yet

In terms of the goals of Wikipedia and the concepts behind the use of hypertext for sorting political information, I would imagine that you would be sort of a legend around here. I would be curious to hear what you consider the advantages and disadvantages of Wikipedia in terms of organizing political data. The requirement of producing a coherent article often seems to preclude including some of the types of fascinating information you organize on your website. But in the long term, I'm not so sure this is necessarily the case. I would also imagine that I'm not the first to have wished that the Political Graveyard was a Wiki. Best, Tfine80 05:23, 24 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] NonCommercial ShareAlike license

The logo on the wikipedia page on your site will/may be considered for deletion as mentioned in link in the template.

Older images should go through a process of VfD to eliminate them in an orderly fashion, taking due account of "fair use". [1]

I'm sure fair use could be argued, but I'm no expert, and since it's your logo I figured I'd let you know since you might know more than me. :)

I came to your talk page via Tfine80's, who asked a question on the United States army rations talk page. I haven't visited The Political Graveyard before, but it's a cool, well-designed site on a niche topic.

And I'm finally consistently remembering to sign my name. --TransUtopian 16:23, 3 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] 1/1000th Common Ancestry

I'm glad you got a kick out of the article. You deserve continued kudos for your years of work, which is bound to outlast you (but I hope you last a while), and be a valuable tool to political junkies and genealogists for generations to come.

I've found a few more interesting kinships that I'll get my act together sometime and send your way. General/Ambassador James Longstreet married Ulysses S. Grant's 1st cousin. The Dudley-Winthrop Family has more connections, too. Were adding to this in a couple weeks, but it'll be 20-30 years before she's elected to anything :)

Kind regards, Dr U 05:56, 15 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Hello

I saw that we have a difference of opinion over at 7 mile. Regardless of how that works out, I just wanted to drop you a note and thank you for all of your hard work on the political graveyard. It's a wonderful resource! TMS63112 16:28, 27 January 2006 (UTC)

  • Hi polygon ! Soupysales 17:50, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Jefferson

Thanks for chiming in -- always good to get a non-involved point of view.--SarekOfVulcan 18:17, 30 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia:WikiProject Michigan

Just discovered, joined. -William Allen Simpson 16:56, 6 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Cabinet counties

Earlier (on the relevant talk page), I pointed out an error in the map with the article on the Cabinet counties of Michigan. There are ten "cabinet counties", but the map highlights eleven, by incorrectly including St. Joseph County, which is named for the St. Joseph River.

Sad to say, a correct map would show two somewhat separated clusters of counties rather than a single region.

I mention this small error here because you requested such notes, on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject U.S. counties. Kestenbaum 07:24, 13 February 2006 (UTC)

Well, actually I wanted to know if there were any errors in my own maps. ;) Anyway, is the new map at Cabinet counties better? dbenbenn | talk 08:23, 13 February 2006 (UTC)
Yup, looks good. Thanks! Kestenbaum 17:43, 13 February 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Bath School Disaster

Thanks for your note. If you have anything that shopuld be included, let me know. I am also in contact with a number of folks from Bath who are helping me with the reseach and providing pictures for the article. If you need any contacts there, let me know. Jtmichcock 17:52, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Aaron Campbell

I'm surprised of that. Nobody of that age is involved in politics in Italy, as far as I know. Since you had some experience, can I ask you to take a quick look at William G. Pierce? This appears notable as a candidate for the Senate, but I am surprised he gets so few Google news hits [2]. Could that be normal? - Liberatore(T) 12:29, 22 February 2006 (UTC)

I'd say he's notable as a candidate in the primary. It's early yet. If he stays in the race, there will be an avalanche of news stories about him. I doubt he has much chance of winning the primary, much less the general election, but his candidacy demonstrates and gives voice to discontent with the incumbent within his own party.
Google is a great thing, but it's not everything. If you Google my full name, at first it looks like 1.3 million hits! But more than 99% of those are on Russian spam sites which have apparently copied random text, including my name, from the Political Graveyard page footer; the genuine search results fit on a single page, with the usual note that "we have omitted some entries very similar to those already displayed". Kestenbaum 13:10, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
Thank you. I'll keep an eye on the news about this one. - Liberatore(T) 14:50, 22 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] User:Kestenbaum/List of Republican celebrities of the past

I've moved the page into your userspace for you to work on. If you want it deleted later just tag it {{db|userfied page no longer required}} and it will be deleted. Please remember that the page is still subject to the GFDL, so that if you want to use text fr it elsewhere you'll need to make that clear in the edit summaries and link back to the page history. If course, if you re-write the info in your own words that will not apply. Let me know if I can help further. --Doc ask? 13:30, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Ann Arbor External Links

Thanks for the kind word. Yes, external links are one of my personal little crusades.

Incidentally, and unrelatedly, I just got a letter "from you" (from your office, that is). I was just telling my wife last night how her elected offical also had a longtime online presence, and here you are! It's interesting how interwoven things can be. Cheers. · rodii · 16:45, 26 February 2006 (UTC)

There's a lot of people in Ann Arbor, but it's still a small town. — My online involvement has had sometimes unexpected impacts on my political life. — Am I calling you for jury duty? Kestenbaum 23:36, 26 February 2006 (UTC)
Nah, I paid off a mortgage. :) · rodii · 01:26, 27 February 2006 (UTC)


> That band listing you reverted was not only misplaced; I'm pretty sure it was a hoax. "Semi > popular"? "Wonk-Rock"? "Tally Hall"? (A failed indoor mall project on Liberty St.) > Kestenbaum 02:36, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

They are indeed a band: named, I'm guessing, after the mall. (I tried to turn the Tally Hall wikipedia article -- which is on the band -- into a disambiguation page leading both to the band and to the failed mall, but it got reverted.) Whether they're "semi-popular" or not... I'm doubtful. On another topic, I've had trouble writing the section on the Louis D. Belcher page regarding the bizarre contested 1977 mayoral election. I've included all the stuff I could find online (it was before I was born, so I don't remember it), but if you know anything please feel invited to pitch in. Ropcat 05:31, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] WW Mayo

Hi. In this article, it is said that double W Mayo was born in Eccles, Lancashire, England whereas in this one it is stated that he emigrated from Salford, Manchester district, UK. Perhaps you know where double W was actually from ? Archie
Archibald Tuttle 19:26, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

Why can't both of those be true? He was born in place A; later, he emigrated from place B, winding up at place C. Kestenbaum 00:12, 9 April 2006 (UTC)

Sure. I was asking you because you mentioned in discussion that you read several bios (or that's one might guess reading your notes). So maybe you're able to fill the gap between A and B. To be more precise : did he start medical practice in Salford and if so what gave him the idea of leaving ? Cheers, Archie
Archibald Tuttle 14:58, 10 April 2006 (UTC)
...Since the above lines, I've found , I think the explanation of discrepancies : Eccles is a town belonging to the current metropolitan borough of Salford (it is located next but distinct from the municipality of Salford city). The metropolitan borough of Salford belongs to the greater Manchester Metropolitan County. This area was formerly included in the Lancashire county (i.e before the 1974 revision of administrative divisions). British geography is a delectation. Cheers : Archie
Archibald Tuttle 18:46, 10 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] == Country subdivision ==

...IMO splitting the cats into a group of "Administatrive divisions of some countries" and "Political divisions of some other countries" is not useful.

could you maybe change your vote on Wikipedia:Categories_for_deletion/Log/2006_April_4#Category:Subdivisions_by_country_to_Category:Political_divisions_by_country

and let's discuss this on the project page

Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Subnational_entities/Naming#Umbrella_terms

or Country subdivision page

first? It is really is mass rename, since it not only involves the cats and subcates but also lots of articles. Tobias Conradi (Talk) 01:06, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Subdivision category debate

The original debate for renameing the country subdivision categories was closed and a new debate on the subject has now been listed. The results of the old debate are shown, but will not be counted when the current debate is closed. You are being notified because you were involved in the previous debate. If you still have an interest in the outcome, please come and participate in the new debate. - TexasAndroid 20:38, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Notability of Congressional candidates

What standard do you use for notability? Discussion at Talk:John Kelly.

--William Allen Simpson 12:17, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] political categories renaming

There are a lot of political categories renaming, it would help to have your feedback at Wikipedia:Categories for deletion such as:

Just search for polit and congress.

See the Wikipedia talk:WikiProject U.S. Congress, too.

--William Allen Simpson 05:25, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Ben Franklin's Son

William Franklin, Governor of New Jersey. Never heard of him before, but other sources confirm it, he is the bastard son of Benjamin Franklin. Political Graveyard has no mention of him. Dr U 03:53, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

He's not mentioned in Political Graveyard because I have not included the pre-revolutionary royal governors, with only a few exceptions. Problems: (1) I need to figure out the governmental structures of that era, and (2) I need some way of making sense of the titles of nobility many of those governors have, sometimes to the seeming exclusion of regular names. Kestenbaum 05:13, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for your response. I'd be happy to help do any leg work needed to help you identify the government structures and nobility. As you know, I have a keen interest in how various political families tie together, and often times the links are pre-revolutionary. Dr U 05:24, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] New Orleans Rhythm Kings

I'm happy to contribute in any way I can. I'm no jazz historian myself. In fact, I'm not a particularly big fan of really early jazz (with a few exceptions). But the lack of information about early jazz on Wikipedia is disappointing. I've toyed with the idea of starting a jazz Wikiproject, as I can't believe there isn't already one. --cholmes75 (chit chat) 21:02, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Lists marked for deletion

Larry - I noticed the new thread for deletion Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of celebrities with links to the U.S. Democratic Party (which also covers the similar GOP and Libertarian lists), and thought you might want to offer your opinion (and possibly shift the pages' content to your user space, as was done with User:Kestenbaum/List of Republican celebrities of the past). MisfitToys 23:01, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Dingell

Larry, Do you think that liberal is a fair characterization of Dingell's career/voting record? It seems that for 20 years or so he's been the most conservative Democrat from SE Michigan. I don't know if I'm being too picky about people using the term liberal or if it really is over-used, particularly by those on the right when they don't like someone who may or may not be a liberal. I think of Sen. Levin, Alma Wheeler Smith (whom I wanted for gov), John Conyers and Howard Wolpe as liberals. Gov Granholm, John Dingell and Debbie Stabenow strike me as from the moderate wing of the party, or centrists like the Clintons.mp2dtw 05:09, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Malcolm X

I think we ran into some kind of technical glitch; it was not my intent to revert your change. I was merely changing his place of death from Harlem to Washington Heights, Manhattan. Both your edit and mine are time-stamped to the same minute, and mine must have trampled yours inadvertently. I certainly will not stand in the way of your including the other cities in his category list.

Unrelated, my serious beef with the article is that it is basically a summary of the Autobiography, which is, like most autobiographies, a selective and biased summary of the man's life. Changes made by editors in the past to include information from other sources have been swiftly edited out by others who reason, perhaps "this new material is less favorable to Malcolm X than the only source with which I am familiar, therefore this editor is biased and must be reverted." This article will not be good until that is fixed. Uucp 10:30, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

Thanks, and I have fixed the categories (including alphabetizing him on category pages under X instead of M). Yes, strongly agreed that other sources should be used and taken seriously. Kestenbaum 16:34, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Elmwood Cemetery (Detroit, Michigan)

Well, that is very interesting information. And should be mentioned in the article. It is hardly anything that could be easily inferred from the article at present. older ≠ wiser 19:03, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Mark Hackel

Thanks for your support on keeping this article. I don't understand why someone 1,000 miles from a place would care about an article about someone from a place a 1,000 miles from them so much that they would put up such a fight to get the article deleted. I tend to be an include (almost) everything kinda editor. I know that the article is not that good, but it was never intended to be a novel.

By the way, I used your political graveyard website last year to research G. Mennen Williams —great website.

Thanks, —MJCdetroit 18:59, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Real property & indexes at registers of deeds

Hello there. Since this is my first attempt to edit an article in Wiki, I'm a bit amazed at the quickness to which my contribution is subjected to revision. Even while I was reading the saved copy, and trying to smooth out links, the edits were redacted and links made unneccessary. (Woah, get those horses under rein!)

I am hardly an authority on all U.S. states' real estate law, far from any legal eagle on exact terminology, and my experience as a genealogically-interested researcher is limited to four states so far. But I wonder greatly about the fine distinctions you imply by changing "real estate" to "estate in land". And I really don't believe you should attempt to make a one-state reference to one of several (? or only two?) typical practices. (Iowa is one of about a dozen states that use the Torrons title system, I think.)

But I hope that the topic will be the better for our joint attention... Best regards, Tom Kohn

p.s. I don't yet know about setting up my user talk page, so do reply on yours.

Oops, sorry about that. I don't remember changing "real estate" to "estate in land", but sometimes weird things happen when two people are trying to edit a page at once. I think I jumped in there to fix a typo or something, and ended making a lot more changes than I planned. While I was at it, it occurred to me that "recorder of deeds" ought to link to Torrens.
Absolutely, two heads on this are better than one.
My understanding (which is Michigan-centric and could be out of date) is that Iowa has the Torrens system for every parcel in every county, and it makes unnecessary a lot of the work that realtors and title companies do in all the other states. Some specific places (like Wayne County, next door to me) have a tract index, but that's not the same thing as Torrens. Some states, like New York, have enacted legislation to make it possible to put a property on the Torrens system, but the cost of doing so is very daunting and few owners have taken advantage of this. So I changed both articles to stress Iowa's pre-eminence.
Go ahead and make what edits you think are necessary, and I'll check back tomorrow or so. Kestenbaum 18:51, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] NY Times

Congratulations on the NY Times quote. You've earned the recognition. -Will Beback 07:29, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] LaRouche Cult Mediation

Dear Kestenbaum, I have started to discuss the above topic under the discussion entry. I'm not sure this was the purpose, could you please correct me if I am wrong? Best wishes, Astor Piazzolla 09:08, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

As far as I understand the process, your comment is entirely appropriate. No problem as far as I am concerned. Kestenbaum 11:42, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia:WikiProject National Register of Historic Places

I just wanted to say welcome to the WikiProject and let you know I've run across your Political Graveyard website many a time when googling for obscure stuff about Oregon. I'm looking forward to your contributions to the project. Keep up the good work and happy editing! Katr67 03:53, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Vote request

Please Vote, as per wiktionary the correct spelling is Wiktionary:anti-Semitic NOT Antisemitic. 67.70.68.51 12:32, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks

Haha, thanks for the note about Bill Sali - and more thanks for noting my dealings with the other guy than for my actual work on the article. :-) BTW, I've cited the Political Graveyard in at least one other Wiki article, and have learned quite a few things from it. Thanks! --texasmusician 22:54, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Citing the Political Graveyard

Hi, do you have any preferences for how citations for The Political Graveyard should appear? For example this version of an article uses Template:cite web:

Most of the time, where I cite it, I use something like this:

I'm almost inclined to create a template specifically for the site, somewhat similar to CongBio. I just wondered if you had any preferences and any advice on the most reliable way to link to entry for a specific politician. Cheers. older ≠ wiser 14:00, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

Belated reply: I don't have a strong preference about citation. I did come across a Political Graveyard source template earlier (a startling discovery at the time), but maybe it has been deleted since then. I'm too tired right now to go hunting for it.
The site will shortly be moving to a different server, so it doesn't make much sense to mention a "publisher".
Probably the site's name ought to be prominent, and mine mentioned later or not at all. That template I found earlier didn't mention me at all, just that "this article incorporates facts from The Political Graveyard" or words to that effect. But I'm certainly not hiding my name, and if standard citation practice demands that it be included in Wikipedia source notes, I won't argue.
Links to entries on specific politicians seem to work very well in Firefox, not so well in Internet Explorer. I have someone working with me on update and redesign, and I expect that will be addressed. Kestenbaum 07:15, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Bill Sali

The anonymous fellow on the Bill Sali page is REALLY starting to try my patience, and I could use some backup. Could you take a long at the discussion page/recent history and get involved, please? I'd really appreciate it. (Please respond on my talk page.) Thanks!

--texasmusician 02:20, 18 January 2006 (UTC)

Understood. An occasional third/fourth voice on the discussion page would be nice, particularly when it's just him and me back-and-forth on the same reverts (for the first time, we seem to have hit something we can't de facto compromise on), and a nanny tiebreaker would be appreciated. I'm too much of a Wiki amature to know the official mediation process. Anyways, thanks for whatever you can do!

--texasmusician 05:38, 18 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] T. Casey Brennan

I have a new comic on sale at the Vault of Midnight on Main St. in Ann Arbor. It's called ACTOR COMICS PRESENTS #1. Spiderman & the Hulk are on the cover; my story is on page 47. I wrote Vampirella in the 70s...I'm now a singer/lyricist in a band called FRANKENHEAD; a video of my song LET THEM RISE was on the 2005 Halloween episode of a local punk rock show, Crazy Mark TV. You should be able to get it directly with this URL (takes forever to load; be patient):

http://www.marktv.net/FRANKENHEAD.mov

Kitaro's Sideshow, podcast in Israel (which ALSO takes forever to load) just played my songs on shows #36 and #37, at...

http://sideshow.libsyn.com/index.php?post_id=37990

http://sideshow.libsyn.com/index.php?post_id=34595

The song & refs to me are on toward the end on both shows.

This is my band's page (my 2 songs are SOCIAL WORKER BLUES and LET THEM RISE:

http://norecordlabel.com/newbandpage.php?b_id=3479

Celebrity Homeless List w/my name, plus fan pages about me...

http://www.angelfire.com/stars4/lists/homeless.html

This is a comic book oriented fan page with the trenchcoat photo:

http://www.darkelfdesigns.homestead.com/mkultra02.html

This is my column at Popimage:

http://www.popimage.com/industrial/conjurella092204.html

This is from The Konformist magazine; scroll down to get the trenchcoat photo cropped & with caption: "sexiest JFK MK-ULTRA assassin alive":

http://www.konformist.com/mkkafe/tcasey/tcasey.htm

This is from a professor at the University of Rhode Island; no photo:

http://karws.gso.uri.edu/JFK/Conspiracy_theories/Brennan--Conjurella/Brennan.html

Satanic Reds T. Casey Brennan fan page...satire of Hare Krishnas; has trenchcoat photo wreathed in flowers:

http://www.geocities.com/tcb_sr

Anathema Research's original T. Casey Brennan archive reposted with new material by the Mind Control Forums, but no photo:

http://www.mindcontrolforums.com/tc/tcasey.html

This is the NEW TCB fan page, with Clinton document, but no photo:

http://pw1.netcom.com/~mthorn/0brennan.htm

Best,

T. Casey Brennan —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Fullmoonguy (talk • contribs) 07:09, 4 February 2007 (UTC).

[edit] New NRHP Collaboration Division

Hey, saw you were a participant in the National Register of Historic Places WikiProject. I thought I would let you know that there is a new Collaboration Division up for the project. The goal of the division is to select an article or articles for improvement to Good article standard or higher. There is a simple nomination process, which you can check out on the division subpage, to make sure each candidate for collaboration has enough interested editors. This is a good way to get a lot of articles to a quality status quickly. Please consider participating. More details can be seen at the division subpage. IvoShandor 11:09, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Could you have a look at these articles and their talk?

Could you have a look at these articles and their talk?

I feel the articles are extremely well sourced and balanced. I'd like somebody else to remove the tags. Please look at my last versions, because I have run up against somebody from the evolution/creation universe who wants to troll around for lehakholis (Aramaic word, you might be able to guess what it means). --Metzenberg 03:10, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Just Greetings

Saw your link via LJ and just wanted to say HI! :) An Earthshine 19:48, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

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