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relief from puppetry - new article on Rock Creek War

At last - I got to write something useful. Been putting this off for a while now, finally got the outline in tonight. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rock_Creek_Gold_Rush Now for the Omineca, Wild Horse Creek and the Big Bend.....Skookum1 10:28, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

Fresh vandalism of Talk:Erik Bornmann

Please see this.Skookum1 19:06, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

Opinion requested - PSAC title

Hi. Please see [1] and [2] re the best/preferred name for an article on Puget's Sound Agricultural Company (that's my own pref).Skookum1 00:05, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

Here we go again....maybe

Please see Removal of Erik Bornmann protection and history at Erik Bornmann. Seems like I better get off my duff with that Riley Smyth thing, although "he" wasn't a new account anyway so the protect didn't affect "him". Between the block/AFD/sockpuppetry reports the whole page has quieted down...for now...but with the block lifted I'm expecting further trouble, unless EB's "friends" have decided to back off because of the public attention it was drawing to their efforts to screw with it....Skookum1 00:56, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

reply on my talkpage

Hi; been at First Nations government and tribal council stubs all morning, finally got to have my shower and eat lunch...reply is on my talkpage.Skookum1 22:08, 20 January 2007 (UTC) PS you may enjoy my post from last night on the Tyee Books although what I'm on about has nothing to do with the article/book being reviewed....Skookum1 22:10, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

Canadiana.org sources on colonial BC

Hi; I'll try and remember to get on that Vancouver Island Ranges map this evening; I spent all day yesterday making stubs and redirects (duh, talk about OCD...). But this morning I came across an online source in www.canadiana.org that has details I've been looking for for quite a while: not just the date and circumstances of the Colonial councils and assemblies, but also what their districts and members were, and the qualifying requirements for votersr and members; there's also details of the Whatcom Trail and even of the Fraser Canyon Gold Rush that I've never seen or heard of before (and that's saying a lot...in all modesty). Anyway, after reading from where I started on about page 18 of J.B. Kerr's Biographical Sketches of British Columbians, with historical etc., I know that articles on the Colonial Assembly of Vancouver Island can be started, but wanted to check the title with other editors; formal title wold be Legislative Assembly of the Colony of Vancouver's Island, I believe, or maybe without the "Legislative" qualifier; likewise the Executive Council of British Columbia which didn't come into being until almost Douglas' retirement; I think there'd been a Mainland Assembly but he dissolved it in frustration (if that's the case I saw that in Hauka, I'm sure) with the riff-raff who railed against him from it; there was one after him but I haven't read through Kerr all the way yet; I imagine all the full details are in Bancroft or Scholefield, although I'm not sure if they're on line and I don't feel like putting up with the SFU library's teenage-hallway bullshit to research anything up there; especially in reserves, which has no seating and is adjacent to the 400 cellphone-babbling, gossiping, flirting undergrads (in what used to be the quiet area of the card catalogue, years ago....). Anyway, partly passing on the Kerr/canadiana.org reference, and also needing advice/input on article titles. His take on the San Juans gets really interesting, too, by the way....I imagine there's a few more eye-openers in it...but right now I've got to go to the store....Skookum1 22:32, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

Bro XII

Saw your merge; didn't know there were two...so I went and made redirect for Edward Arthur Wilson and also plopped him on the Wilson and Brother dab pages.....Garnet Basque's write-up in Lost Bonanzas of British Columbia is a doozy...(and well-done); you can see by my redlink there I think Basque deserves an article as a notable BC historian; T.W. Paterson also (Heritage House mag-size series). Do you want to tackle the Reincarnation of Isis (that was her sobriquet, one of his paramours, the last and flashiest one I think) or should we pawn that one off on Fishhead64 (he's an Anglican priest, but De Courcy Island is on his beat more than yours I think.... ;=) Skookum1 10:25, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

"Legitimacy of the Provisional Government of Oregon"

Hi; I've got this ongoing snarl at Talk:Oregon Country and related stuff on Talk:Oregon boundary dispute and Talk:Oregon Treaty that I'm getting weary of arguing with this User:Aboutmovies guy about; is it just me or are the sophomores taking over the world? Anyway, my fault for not digging through Akriggs, Ormsby and this new Kerr source and making sure the BPOV (British point of view) is present on these pages; but lately this kid - and I'm sure it's a kid, although apparently he has a BA (a kid, in other words...) is adamant about "proving" the legitimacy of the Provisional Government of Oregon, even making it a central theme of the article; British perspectives on the American claims and tactics are absent, and dismissed in discussion, and the Native American perspective omitted entirely; I don't know if you'd care to provide backup but it's really getting to be a waste of time for me; no matter what I say to point out his non sequiturs he wants to keep on "proving" the legitimacy of this provisional government thing the Williamette squatters set up in their own image in 1843, and isn't interested in anything else. There's a certain breed of "Oregon nationalist" that's out there, and there's similar problems on Pacific Northwest regarding what I call the "Cascadia agenda"....."historical imperialism" or "historiographical imperialism" is what I call all this stuff; revising history to justify its iniquities is an old game, of course. I'll fly this by Fishhead64 as well, though he's delightfully non-confrontational/non-committal on most things, but tends to know his early BC/NW history...I've got to do my laundry and go shopping......Skookum1 21:00, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

Vancouver Island Ranges map

There ya go. My two bits for the night; think I'm going to hit the bus and make it down to the $2 show at the Dolphin to see The Fountain. Been Wiki'ing way too much lately....Skookum1 05:00, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

Number-key is done; see Talk:Vancouver Island Ranges.Skookum1 08:29, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
Should I redo the numbers, or is it fine as-is? i.e. am I being "too perfectionist"? Fixed the links and gave the NASA source image, pondering which range-area to do next; Hazelton Mountains are kind of complicated so maybe they'd be fun; but I supposed the Selkirks are more high-priority (and multi-layered too, i.e. subranges within subranges, like the Lillooet Ranges were on that other map}.Skookum1 17:28, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

Fort Ware - mid?

Hi; just happened to see the rating you gave Fort Ware; I know it's the only town for, what, 200 miles, but just curious what the rationale for the "mid" rating is; there's far larger places elsewhere that only get "low". Not that it matters, just curious. BTW there's an AFD off that fracas at Hollywood North; from the sublime to the ridiculous, if you examine the talkpage and edit history that "led" to it...actually there was nothing sublime going on at all...back to the North; found out some interesting stuff about McDame/Fort McDame/McDame Post (its various guises); I've really got to get away from the controversies on various talkpages and "get at" my ghost town and history articles; there's only so much time I've got left on this planet before they revoke my diplomatic visa ;-)....by which I mean "the road is calling" and I may be doing the wandering musician thing by spring...so should get at the planned article contributions I've always wanted to do, avoid the b.s. and the slippery slopes of impossible POV debates that seem to take up way too much time, without any actual "contributing" getting done. I've been looking for a troll-spray to use to that end, but haven't found one....Skookum1 09:43, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

Canadian Freemasons

Got them from this site http://freemasonry.bcy.ca/history/bc_premiers.html

Will cite each one soon. It's alot of work. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Webucation (talk • contribs) 12:48, 26 January 2007 (UTC).

Your thoughts on something

Hi; please see Wars/conflicts without names on the List of conflicts in Canada talkpage.Skookum1 21:19, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

Lakes vs. communities named after lakes

Hi; saw your Devick Lake, British Columbia template addition; see Talk:Devick Lake, British Columbia.....Skookum1 04:32, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

Well, all BC project people should probably make a point of using the project's talkpage(s), esp. for issues like this; maybe a loose policy of "if you make some comments relevant to whole categories of articles, please at least make a link on the project talkpage" or otherwise keep notes on stuff like this there......ditto with my rambling guidelines on the FN-article stuff. BTW I noticed you'd put Forbes Vernon at mid or low; one loose policy I'd had was that all major early BC politicians (and in his case, major landowner) should get "high"; he was also a cabinet minister I'm pretty sure. What did I put on Talk:John Andrew Mara anyway (his neighbour)? Just a sec I'll be back...Skookum1 04:46, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
Oh, OK - "mid" - or did you rate that one? All those kinds of guys should at least get "mid". I just had a look through that Early Canadian Online J.B. Kerr book I referenced for you, thinking I'd find something on Andrew Charles Elliott....to my surprise, he's not in there, unless the Premiers are listed separately and I haven't found that section yet....one thing that caught my eye is it seems in the 19th Century they used "MPP" instead of MLA, also.....thinking of writing an article on the pre-party system/era in BC, as I've found a number of interesting contemporary passages defending it and expressing discontent with the impending imposition of the party system (by Joly de Lotbiniere, after the Turner-Semlin-Martin-Dunsmuir multiple fiasco....).Skookum1 04:50, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
re Vernon to "high"- so should Mara be, then, and anyone in ranching/politics from that area/era. I'll set Andrew Charles Elliott to "high", also, as any Premier should be "high" (on whatever...); also any L-G (found some good stuff on L-G Clement Cornwall lately, too.....).Skookum1 04:53, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

Here's one for ya....

Please see Talk:List of Lieutenant-Governors of British Columbia; I'll run it by Fishhead and Bobanny later also.....Skookum1 05:00, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

Skookumchuck Narrows/Sechelt Rapids and googlemaps v. basemap

Hi; just a reminder that googlemaps' labelling is not necessarily what's gazetted; what's gazetted is what's on Basemap/LRDWC at maps.gov.bc.ca. Bivouac/RT invented a parse of basemap which opens Basemap at the given coordinates of the entry, be it a pass or peak; but it routes through bivouac's php system so you can't simply copy the link on an entry page; must be simple but I don't know enough code how to do it. Anyway, while googleearth/googlemaps opens up on something labelled Sechelt Rapids, remember that their data set is also user-generated content like Wikipedia (I know, because I've added a few things...); it's basemap/LRDWC that's the archival naming system, which should be the primary, especiall because of the user-generated content issue at googlemaps.Skookum1 01:33, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

  • I understand, but my source is marine charts. I guess I should have said where I was getting the information. Does the source you mention produce a different answer? I get a 404 error at maps.gov.bc.ca. uh, when I type it right it does work. Checking to see what they have. KenWalker | Talk 01:37, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

your www visit

Thought I should drop a line here too, to thank you for the visit to my photo galleries, glad you enjoyed them. I certainly plan on placing some of them on various pages here. Earlier today, posted some in my 'older' collection (which for me is Y2K or so) of Kispiox, Lakelse Lake, and Thornhill. Thanks for noticing the Nass one. A matter of where to start, andso far seems to be in north to south direction. But yes, Golden Hinde would be good, since I'm originally from the Island.. (although my usage there of "The Island" may indicate I've been on the Lower Mainland longer than I care to admit). Been adding some stuff and mostly just snooping around and doing light maintenance here so far, in my week or so of active participation. Look forward to working with you and others on the project. Oh yes, another thing, articles created by oneself: should not be rated for WikiProject purposes? Just wondering, I think one or two I did tag as stubs with low or mid (usually low) priority. Thx again --Keefer4 11:48, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

reply

glad you liked it; more on my talk page. Later....Skookum1 00:03, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

Fountainview Academy

Saw your fixes to the Fountainview Academy section on there, which I've redlinked for fairly obvious reasons; and they do have a story worth a telling - their annual fall feast invites everyone in the valley, from town and the reserves, and it's an international place as well as connected into a lot of the small ranches and farms up and down Highway 12; they're just another element in Lillooet; but even as a separate educational institution, like Lillooet Secondary School or the Upper St'at'imc Language Authority and its school, for that matter. Lillooet's not about Fountainview Academy; Fountainview just happens to be near it, and since everyone knows everyone; as for the spelling, venture this was a farm kid but don't hold it against 'em; they put in a lot of info; it just needs to be a separate article, with a mention on this page. I was going to stub up the Upper St'at'imc Language Authority (or is it Language and Culture Authority?) before I vanish (poof!) and also a few other local institutions; if that public domain photo argument/discussion holds there'll be pictures of Ma Murray I can finally add to her page, too...anyway, I'm not in the mood to write it right now (I just came in from playing music and just catching my proverbial as well as physical breath) but I'd say Fountainview should be a separate article, and it shouldn't be the only thing in that section; I'm not sure of all the Elementary schools (native and white, as there are separate systems as well as heavy native content/curriculum in the public system; at least if you're native I guess, because the white kids - er, non-native kids, as Lillooet's always been very multi-racial - don't seem to absorb any of it, nor want to for the most part) and I'm sure there's not another high school. Fountainview is very much a different world than the post-frontier/urban space and the educational milieu in town, and in Lillooet Secondary especially. Not even only be comparison but in reality, Fountainview is a veritable monastery, in very real terms though not to the Benedictine rule, celibacy etc.; speaking of which the Benedictines from Mission have a retreat up in the Cayoosh, and have a bit of a role in some local rescues, and were also Ma Murray's pallbearers and funeral choir. The area of their main spread (ranch/farm in the local talk/argot) is called what it is because it's at the bottom of the hill from Fountain Lake, which is the old and original trail/wagon road to connect Lytton to Lillooet - via Fountain, not by Highway 12, which was impassable and sometimes/often still is - and was known for its steep grade; and the amazing view of the Fraser benchlands southwards as you're coming down it, as well as the descent into the Great Bend of the Fraser on the north side of the little pass; speaking of which I've got to remember to at least stub up Fountain, British Columbia and other localities in there I should have written long ago; Bralorne most of all. So much for thoughts on Fountainview; when I split Wikiworld I'd appreciate someone watching over my Lillooet area articles - someone taking an interest in the overall subject matter, too; I've been asked to write a book, but no one's coughing up my living expenses in the meantime...and I'm too "original research"-flavoured over all to work within Wiki comfortably, quite frankly, although WikiVersity and MidnightWiki and other similar Wikis might be more amenable to being adventurous; I had a look at WikiNews but it's even stricter than Wikipedia on source/content rules. Not that that's a bad thing, and I understand why; pity more journalists aren't taking advantage of it; Canada could use a free press one day, for one thing.....(you were around in '83 right - you remember the BC edition of the Globe & Mail that summer?.....) Anyway, g'nite; —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Skookum1 (talk • contribs) 06:36, 5 February 2007 (UTC).

  • Well, I arrived here from Saskatchewan in Sept 83, so I guess I missed what happened here that summer. Interesting stuff about Lillooet and the school. Your comments make sense, and as usual, your stories are interesting. Sorry to hear talk of you heading off, hope it isn't completely or permanently. Cheers. KenWalker | Talk 07:41, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

Nicholas Rockefeller

Hi Ken, I just had a look at the NR article and I'm pretty sure it needs to be deleted. I can see that you've puzzled about it too. I've left some remarks on the talk page.--Thomas Basboll 22:23, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for you comments. I've nominated it for deletion.--Thomas Basboll 23:41, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

You were right. (It's my first AfD.) I had not listed it in the request for deletion log. It should be in order now. Let me know if there's anything else you think I've missed.--Thomas Basboll 08:06, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

Looks to me like you have it right now. I added my delete vote. KenWalker | Talk 09:13, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
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