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[edit] religion

Seventh day adventist is christian denomination. Not protestant, they are different from other churches becouse they keep all ten of god's commands, so they cant be put together with churches like anglican.

It is more likely that the Anglican methods were the start of the early traditions, which have now been accentuated by the christian demonination.

[edit] plagiarism

from the pump

hi my name is mandy and i'm doing a project on kenya, just to let you know, http://www.mapzones.com/world/africa/kenya/historyindex.php - has almost the exact information you do, i know that this is plagarising and i don't know whose plagarising who, but i thought i'd let you know.

  1. Kenya: Fossils found in East Africa suggest that protohumans roamed the area more than 20 million years ago. Recent finds near Kenya's Lake Turkana indicate that hominids like Homo habilis and Homo erectus lived in Kenya 2.6 million years ago
  2. Kenya: Fossils found in East Africa suggest that protohumans roamed the area more than 20 million years ago. Recent finds near Kenya's Lake Turkana indicate that hominids lived in the area 2.6 million years ago.
Looks pretty similiar →Raul654 17:50, Apr 20, 2004 (UTC)
I did a little more tracing. That info was copied into our kenya article from the History of Kenya article. Those sentences were added during this edit by a bot. →Raul654 17:54, Apr 20, 2004 (UTC)
I suspect that both are derived from some sort of public domain source like the CIA factbook or such. Bkonrad | Talk 18:04, 20 Apr 2004 (UTC)
Such as this from the U.S. State department Bkonrad | Talk 18:10, 20 Apr 2004 (UTC)
I just realized the question was about plagiarism. Although the information from the U.S. State Department is public domain, that is not copyrighted and can be freely copied, it really should be acknowledged as the source. Copying the information without attribution is plagiarism. Wikipedia (and the other sites that use it) should acknowledge the source of the information. Bkonrad | Talk 18:14, 20 Apr 2004 (UTC)
I added the correspondin note at History of Kenya The bot itself should've been doing this, to avoid suspicions of this kind. Mikkalai 18:17, 20 Apr 2004 (UTC)
Actually the bot in question is the Conversion script which imported data from the old usemod database into the new one. According to its "user page", the usemod histories were imported only later, and

...the conversion script entries in history remained, in most cases appearing to perform whatever was the last edit prior to the conversion.

So the script itself didn't acquire that information from anywhere other than Wikipedia - somebody added it, but their identity is lost in the mists of time. - IMSoP 19:05, 20 Apr 2004 (UTC) HEEEEEEE

[edit] Deletion of Telkom corruption example

Current Telecom's policy in Kenya gives Telkom Kenya the monopoly on external internet connectivity. It is inaccurate to state Kenya relies on a single VSAT for internet connectivity. Jambonet has multiple connections to North America, Europe & Asia. Internet service provider's oversubscribe their services to their customers, while not buying enough bandwidth from Jambonet to cater for customer needs. This leads to slow internet access.

Do you know that even without looking further, your own statement is inconsistent. See, it doesn't matter how many VSATs that Jumbonet (Telkom Kenya subsidiary) own, what really matter is that Jumbonet is the sole provider of external internet access. (As of the last time i included the paragraph you removed). Dude, the misunderstanding here is on the defination of what "Monopoly" means. Is there anybody willing to be a jury in this disagreement? I have a feeling we wouldn't be going anywhere soon.

[edit] Portuguese presence in Kenya

Hi, I'm not sure of the dates or exact details (or I'd make the edit myself) but there was definitely a Portuguese Colonial presence in Kenya centuries prior to the British arrival. The evidence of this can be seen in the ruins of Fort Jesus at Mombasa. the Portuguese were themselves supplanted by Omani Arabs who colonised the East coast as far south as Kilwa on the Mozambique border. It's therefore incorrect to suggest that Kenya's colonial Histiry didn't begin untl 1885; that's a very anglo-centric prespective.

Agreed, and well said. However, the Arabs who brought Islam to the region over a thousand years ago, intermarried with the native Bantu populations. The intermarrying of the two cultures can be seen clearly in the inhabitants of Mombasa, Malindi and coastal towns. The Arabs did not colonize and cannot be referred to as such in the European term. The Portugese however deserve further study and should be mentioned. Anyone with information about the Portugese expansion - or lack thereof is welcome to input.

Maybe this is too much information, but somewhat clarifies the pre-British colonial presence in Kenya. It is a complicated history to say the least and even this glosses over the subject too much...

The Portuguese colonial presence in East Africa officially begins after 1505, when flagships under the command of Dom Francisco de Almeida bombarded and plundered Kilwa, an island located in what is now southern Tanzania. Following this, the Portuguese sacked Mombasa following the refusal of the town's leadership to pay tribute. Attacks followed on Hoja (now known as Ungwana, located at the mouth of the Tana River), Barawa, Angoche, Pate and other coastal towns until the western Indian Ocean was a safe haven for Portuguese commercial interests and tribute was paid to the Portuguese crown by all of the city-states along the East African coast. The Portuguese colonial presence in East Africa served two primary purposes: the extraction of tribute from coastal polities and the control of trade within the Indian Ocean through piracy. The first objective was only mildly successful by all accounts as local East African rulers rebelled against the Portuguese frequently. However, Portuguese naval vessels were very disruptive to commerce within the western Indian Ocean and were able to demand high tariffs on items transported through the sea due to their strategic control of ports and shipping lanes. The construction of Fort Jesus in Mombasa 1593 was meant to solidify Portuguese hegemony in the region, but their influence was clipped by the British, Dutch and Omani Arab incursions into the region during the 17th century. The Omani Arabs posed the most direct challenge to Portuguese influence in East Africa and besieged Portuguese fortresses, openly attacked naval vessels and completely expelled the Portuguese from the Kenyan and Tanzanian coasts by 1730.

Omani Arab colonization of the Kenyan and Tanzanian coasts brought the once independent city-states under closer foreign scrutiny and domination than was experienced during the Portuguese period. Like their predecessors, the Omani Arabs were primarily able only to control the coastal areas, not the interior. However, the creation of clove plantations, intensification of the slave trade and relocation of the Omani capital to Zanzibar in 1839 by Seyyid Said had the effect of consolidating the Omani power in the region. Arab governance of all the major ports along the East African coast continued until British interests aimed particularly at ending the slave trade and creation of a wage-labor system began to put pressure on Omani rule. By the late 19th century, the slave trade on the open seas had been completely outlawed by the British and the Omani Arabs had little ability to resist the British navy’s ability to enforce the directive. The Omani presence continued in Zanzibar and Pemba until the 1964 revolution, but the official Omani Arab presence in Kenya was checked by German and British seizure of key ports and creation of crucial trade alliances with influential local leaders in the 1880s. However, the Omani Arab legacy in East Africa is currently found through their numerous descendants found along the coast who can directly trace ancestry to Oman and are typically the weathiest and most politically influential members of the Kenyan coastal community.

[edit] Inter-connect ?

This edit seems suspicious: 10:59, 17 Jan 2005 195.219.214.12 (isp) + Established ISP Inter-Connect Ltd. [1]

Is Inter-Connect really worth mentioning on the main Kenya page ?

[edit] Kenya economy from Stiglitz perspective

This is from Globalization and its discontents by Stiglitz "I became aware of this contrast when i first went to Kenya, in the late 1960s. Here is a rich and fertile country, with some of the most valuable land still owned by the old colonial settlers. When i arrived, the colonial civil servants were also still there; now they were called advisers.

As i watched developments in East Africa over the ensuing years, and returned for several visits after becoming chief economist of the world bank, the contrast between the aspirations in the 1960s and the subsequent developments were striking. When i first went, the spirit of uhuru, the swahili word for freedom, and the ujama, the word for self-help, were in the air. When i returned, the government offices were staffed by well-spoken and well-trained Kenyans; but the economy had been sinking for years. Some of the problems-the seemingly rampant corruption- were of Kenya's own making. But the high interest rates which had resulted from its following IMF advice, as well as other problems, could rightly be blamed at least in part on outsiders ....."

"....The IMF made an issue of corruption in Kenya and halted its relatively small lending program largely because of corruption it witnessed there. Yet, it maintained a flow of money, billion of dollars to Russia and Indonesia. To some, it seemed that while the Fund was overlooking grand larceny, it was taking a strong stand on petty theft...."

Stiglitz lived in Kenya between 1969 to 1971

this is an excellent insight into the relationships of the World Bank in vested interest areas of comparative importance

[edit] British Atrocities

I'm planning on adding something along the lines of Imperial Reckoning by Caroline Elkins (also called Britains's Gulag). 1.5 million detained, 100s of thousands tortured, similar numbers dying. Thought I'd give advance notice.

--Mongreilf 19:37, 11 August 2005 (UTC)

Sounds good, but if you're thinking of going into any detail, consider doing so in Mau Mau or History of Kenya instead. Also, don't forget Wikipedia:NPOV. — Matt Crypto 00:16, 12 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Links to Kenyan web directories


[edit] Administrative Structure

Why, under Administrative Structure is location linked to Township (South Africa)? Is there a better link that someone could put there? Darth Panda 18:18, 22 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Kenya Map

I think it would work better aesthetically to have one map that has the numbered administrative divisions and the major cities of Kenya in the same image. In other words, combine the two maps that are right next to each other now. I can make such a map if no one else can, but is this a good idea? --Danaman5 07:24, 15 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] GDP Per Capita???

Is kenya's gdp per capita really $-52.89 or is this vandalism??? CIA FACT BOOK PLACES IT AT $1100

[edit] What about Quakerism?

I've heard from a friend (who is both Kenyan and Quaker) that a surprising percentage of Kenyans are Quakers, because of missionary work many, many years ago. Can anyone double-check this? (Probably it doesn't show up right now because of the blur with "Protestantism", in which I suppose the Society of Friends is included.) --Lenoxus 00:12, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Addition to In Culture Section

Just thinking maybe something about the Weebl's flash animation should go there, referring to this section here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weebl%27s_cartoons#kenya —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 141.202.248.12 (talk) 18:40, 12 December 2006 (UTC).

[edit] Proposed WikiProject

In my ongoing efforts to try to include every country on the planet included in the scope of a WikiProject, I have proposed a new project on Eastern Africa at Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Proposals#Eastern Africa whose scope would include Kenya. Any interested parties are more than welcome to add their names there, so we can see if there is enough interest to start such a project. Thank you for your attention. Badbilltucker 16:24, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Image

Why is there an image of a Maasai man in the demographics section? The Massai are a minority in Kenya. Most Kenyans, well over 95% dress in regular western type clothing. The image is largely misleading and gives a rather false impression of the country and its people.

[edit] Tourism

Is there ever going to be any information on this page about the pros and cons of tourism in kenya. Im currently doing a project about tourism so might add that soon. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Randombobproductions (talk • contribs) 16:01, 16 January 2007 (UTC).

[edit] Worldbank links

These links:

Were added by an IP address registered to the World Bank Group (doingbusiness.org is a World Bank project). In keeping with our conflict of interest and external links guidelines I've moved them here for consideration by regular editors of this article who are unaffiliated with the site. -- Siobhan Hansa 21:11, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] February 2007 census?

In the table, its is stated that the population was 31,138,735 according to a "8 Feburary 2007 census".

Is there a reference to this number, or the existance of such census? if there is it should also appear in the demography section and in "Demographics of Kenya".

The number is lower than 2006 estimates by 3 millions. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 80.178.138.233 (talk) 12:13, 22 March 2007 (UTC).

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