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Bold textIs The Greatest UFC fighter to ever live.....

Contents 1 Two Problems 2 Shamrock vs. Ortiz 2 3 Retirement 4 Nickname 5 Robbie Kilpatrick

[edit] Two Problems

In the WWF section, it says he lost his title shot due to Triple H; it does not make it clear whether it was because he intervened backstage, in a match, or through a run-in. It should be clarified.

The article also says that he began as a pro wrestler, but makes a comment later about how he "returned to his roots" in UFC. If he was a wrestler first, UFC is not his "roots."

He did not invent the ankle lock of MMA, and no MMA fan would mistake it for such. It is an overdone form of the ankle lock, and he does seem to be the first pro wrestler to use it.

--L.A.F. 04:43, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

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I have been reading about, watching, and practicing jiu-jitsu and MMA for a number of years now. I have never heard anywhere that Ken Shamrock "invented" the ankle lock. That is a very bold claim because it is so widely used in a number of fighting systems, including traditional Japanese Jiu-Jitsu (according to a recent article in Black Belt magazine compaying traditional and modern jiu-jitsu). Still, I will not make any changes to the article because I am too lazy and disinterested to go down to the library and prove that there are earlier illustrations of the ankle lock.

> The article was referring to the move he used in WWE. It's not even an ankle lock - I don't think any WWE submissions are even allowed to be anything close to real submissions. Perhaps it should be clearer, but the author did not intend to state Ken invented an actual fighting move. Besides, Ken was using the ankle lock, heel hook and knee bar way back in the early and mid 90's while in Pancrase. There's some footage of sick submissions being slapped on opponents.

Catch wreslting, which has origins predating JJ, has also had different leg submissions and had them long before the birth of Ken Shamrock.

I took the MMA section and the Pro Wrestling section and clearly seperated them, It seems that real sport vs. fake sport are a clear enough distinction that a complicated chronological listing of his activities is unneccesary. Also, i cleared up some problems with the past tense. BoosterBronze 19:53, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

However, placing Pancrase in Pro Wrestling was a mistake. Pancrase was not predetermined in its nature (yes, there are rumors of a few fixed matches but nothing confirme). I am expanding the Pancrase information as it was where he got his start in MMA and gained enough notoriety to be noticed by the UFC. He also won the first Openweight King of Pancrase tournament in 1994. Anyhow, moving the Pancrase related stuff into MMA and expanding. --Aika 15:34, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

The Sharpshooter is an incredibly painful submission...try slapping that on one of your buddies sometime. WWE submissions can and often do hurt. It's just that they don't apply the full amount of pressure.--129.21.144.217 14:02, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Shamrock vs. Ortiz 2

The boos of the audience do not give evidence to the controversial nature of a stoppage, only to its unpopularity, perhaps for many reasons other the audiences disagreement with the decision. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.76.177.150 (talk • contribs).

Agreed, I don't see any controversy from anywhere outside of message boards, and people whine about the smallest things on thoes forums. hateless 19:10, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, no matter who's side you were on you gotta agree shamrock was being destroyed and the stoppage probably saved shamrock his last few brain cells. RETIRE OLD MAN! ITS OK! SAVE FACE! what little may be left. numbdick 17:54, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

Shamrock was not successfully stopping Tito's elbows. He got hit with at least four of them right in the face. Ken is an old guy, and while I was disappointed in how short the fight was, I certainly didn't want to see Tito kill him on live TV. Yeah, the crowd was disappointed, but four unanswered elbows to the face from Tito Ortiz is enough.

i think the second fight was stoped to soon, he was clearly not out but whatever.

[edit] Retirement

Did he actually retire? I watched his post fight interview twice and it seems he was non-committal, although he definitely acknowledged the possibility he just might. When Rogan asked if he was retiring, Shamrock said, "yeah..." but he immediately said he was not considering it before so that he could concentrate on the fight. hateless 03:35, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

This video answers this question. hateless 16:56, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Nickname

I believe there is an error on the summary section of Ken Shamrock that lists his height, weight, et cetera. His nickname isn't "The World's Most Deadliest Man," it's actually "The World's Most Dangerous Man." If you would like to contact Ken Shamrock to verify this, please do! Of course, you could also check any number of his WWF of UFC matches where they announce his nickname. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.28.181.212 (talk) 08:49, 8 January 2007 (UTC).

I've reverted this once already, but it must've gotten back in while I weren't paying attention. It's fixed now. Debolaz 00:01, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Robbie Kilpatrick

Does anyone know what happened to Ken's real-life brother, Robbie? I know he trained with the Lion's Den and had some mma fights but I haven't found anything about what he's doing now. It's like everyone associated with the Lion's Den disappears. (MgTurtle 16:44, 20 March 2007 (UTC)).