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[edit] Electoral District conventions
Hi. I see you've entered the fray, so to speak. Reversed a couple of your changes this morning due to existing Wiki conventions it took me a little while to get told about/figure out myself:
- when you added the defunct BC provincial ridings category to the List of BC ridings it was redundant, according to Wiki practice, because the defunct-BC category is already a subcategory of the Canadian electoral districts category (or rather it's a subcat of the BC provincial electoral districts cat, which is a subcat of BC electoral districts, which is a subcat of Canadian electoral districts)
- "North Okanagan electoral district" didn't need to be created as North Okanagan already existed; and there's no federal riding of the same name (the federal riding is Okanagan North. If it did need creating, the titling convention is "North Okanagan (electoral district)". That, as a link, would refer to the provincial list IF there was a "North Okanagan" page that was the federal district page; the in-brackets qualifier is only added to sort things out if they need sorting out; hence with Yale-Lillooet, Grand Forks-Greenwood and Nelson-Creston there's no need to put anything in about it being an electoral district; it's not anything else so doesn't need the qualifier. And it's only if there's electoral districts of the same name that there's a need for "(provincial electoral district)" in a page title, e.g. Victoria City (electoral district) and Victoria City (provincial electoral district) or Yale and Yale (provincial electoral district). Victoria City's federal riding needed "electoral district" because there's an article/page on the HongKong neighbourhood of Victoria City that's primary; with the Vancouver City federal riding it wasn't necessary because there's nowhere else that would get the "Vancouver City" title; the provincial riding of the same name is Vancouver City (electoral district) to distinguish it from its federal counterpart; similarly in the case of the provincial constituency Lillooet (electoral district) there's no federal equivalent so "provincial" isn't necessary.
- Otherwise welcome to the project. If you're interested there's a whole bunch of candidate/MLA/MP profiles that could use writing, at least as skeleton articles. I've just finished completing election tables from 1871 to 1966 showing House seating after elections, and nearly all riding pages have results tables; I linked any winning candidate and there's a bunch that need bios written. Doesn't have anything to do with the current campaign but I see you're an Okanaganian and thought you might find it interesting, e.g. Kenneth Cattanach MacDonald in Okanagan North. I "winged it" with John Andrew Mara and Forbes George Vernon based on sketchy cross-references in Dictionary of Canadian Biography Online. See any of the List of British Columbia general elections Skookum1 19:17, 27 December 2005 (UTC)
I apologize. It appears I was quite confused when I did make that page. Thank you for clarifying. For now, I would like to concentrate my efforts on Federal Okanagan Ridings and clarifying what areas they consisted of. One question, is it a goal to have pages for all MLA's and MP's?--Kelownian 21:25, 27 December 2005 (UTC)
- No need for apology, and the confusion is understandable; took me a while to learn all the kinks, too. And yes, it is a goal, ultimately, to have pages fror all MLAs and MPs; current most important, then historical.
- As for riding boundaries I think you'll find the Elections Canada descriptions a bit mind-boggling; easy enough when they make mention of streams, etc. but when they start citing Land District boundaries and Township Ranges that it becomes necessary to have land maps to go with the description. At least Elections Canada has the old boundary revisions on-line; can't say the same for Elections BC. And just to keep things simple I'll finish making the historical federal ridings; if you know of any I've missed see Okanagan (electoral districts) and please add them in the appropriate spot on that page; when I see the redlink (unmade article) I'll go ahead and make it.
- One thing that does need doing is the historical data on existing ridings, i.e. the current election tables go back to '91 or so but no farther; I've added in some historical data on prominent ridings (Victoria City (electoral district) but not on the Okanagan ridings (so far).Skookum1 21:31, 27 December 2005 (UTC)
Let me also welcome you to the project. Please note that federal ridings use an "m dash" when more than one place name appears, not a hyphen. This is the convention developed by Elections Canada. It is also used on Wikipedia, so I have moved Kelowna-Lake Country back to Kelowna—Lake Country. On their website here, you will see that Elections Canada indicates the m-dash with two hyphens. The reason for this is that place names with more than one word are hyphenated in French, so Electiosn canada uses the m-dash to indicate that two places names are being joined. This convention is not used in BC for provincial rdings, though: they use a regular hyphen. Again, welcome to the project. Ground Zero | t 15:06, 28 December 2005 (UTC)
- Just for the record there's a federal Kelowna—Lake Country and a provincial Kelowna-Lake Country (provincial electoral district), with the hyphen and m-dash currently in the right places. Why the redistribution folks have to come with the same riding names - for ridings which doubtless have different boundaries - is anybody's guess. Lack of imagination I'd guess. When "Lake Country" first started showing up in Govt blurbs and in their semiofficial echo at Global TV, I wasn't quite sure what they meant; I guess they mean Mabel Lake in the equation too; otherwise why not just call it Okanagan-Shuswap?Skookum1 18:49, 28 December 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Re Kelowna-Lake Country
I see you (GroundZero) have added "(provincial electoral district)"; I gather that the Kelowna-Lake Country (w. hyphen) goes to a redirect to the federal page....I'm trying to remember another case where the same name, other than the hyphen/dash applies, and they resolve to their respective provincial and federal pages. In any case, wouldn't "(electoral district)" be sufficient for the provincial-riding page, since there's no "(electoral district)" in the federal riding/name/page?Skookum1 20:05, 28 December 2005 (UTC)
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