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[edit] Metro Detroit edits

Hi KelleyCook, thanks for your note. You're right, I confused the definitions of the Detroit-Warren-Flint Combined Statistical Area and the Detroit-Warren-Livonia Metropolitan Statistical Area. I did review all the definitions, but apparently not carefully enough. However the changes made a few years ago did not simply rename the areas; for instance, the old Detroit-Ann Arbor-Flint CMSA included Lenawee County [1], but the new Detroit-Warren-Flint Combined Statistical Area does not. -- Avenue 00:12, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

PS I was checking the figures for the CSA's area and population density, which I think you added to the infobox [2], and I get slightly different numbers. For example, I get a land area of 5814.75 square miles, not 5847. Do you recall what source you used? I used the county figures for 2000 available from the Census Bureau. -- Avenue 13:52, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
I'm unsure of the source I used, but I believe I just summed the numbers from each counties wiki page. Please feel free to adjust it.

[edit] refute your position

on I-94, there has been photographs showing such instances of BGS posted by ITHA using I-94 North and South, but the signs were not on the mainline AFAIK. Whether or not they're still standing today is not known.

I-26 is another story. NC renumbered their exits to reflect the extension shortly after that final segment is completed. The 2006 Rand McNally Road Atlas still has it were I-26 in TN has exit numbers that is still consistent with a north-south highway. However, it is signed east-west. -- Ayrlie, 11 July 2006, 11:46 (CDT)

[edit] NCAA champions

The data currently on the NCAA Football Champions page is incorrect, my edits were to the correct data, I simply missed my citation, which for the champions by year was * "Recognized National Championships by Year", College Football Data Warehouse. Retrieved on 2006-12-27., and for the number per school was * "Recognized National Championships by Team", College Football Data Warehouse. Retrieved on 2006-12-27.

Sorry I didn't know how to cite them or even sign my name, but it was my first edit to data that I personally knew to be wrong.

If it is possible to return my edits, I would be much obliged, as I put in a good amount of time on them, but did not save the code. The citations can be added, of course.

Mlebowski313 07:19, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Notre Dame/CFB Project

Hello, I noticed that you have edited a College football related article. You may be interested to know that there is a college football WikiProject which you can join if you like. We would love to have you! Thanks for fixing my mistakes on the Notre Dame page. I'm not too knowledgeable about it and it needed some cleanup so I took a stab. I meant no harm by accidentally putting ID for Indiana, I'm not up on my state codes, and when it came back blue, I figured it was right. If you'd like to finish setting up the page please do so. Please see Wikipedia:WikiProject College football/Yearly team pages format for the template, and see 2006 NCAA Division I-A football season (See Also Section) for links to other pages for ideas. Lastly, please leave off logos for teams. This is currently a hotly debated item, and until the issue is resolved, we are neither adding or removing logos. Thank you. --MECUtalk 12:49, 3 August 2006 (UTC)


[edit] National Championships

I noticed that there were 13 listed for Notre Dame's NCs on one page, 12 on another, and 11 on another, please, find the correct number, this can be greatly confusing. Also, it's likely to get Alabama fans unhappy if there are three different numbers given. AlaGuy

[edit] Additions to Interstate 96

Hello. I really liked your work making the "Junctions with other freeways" section a table on the Interstate 96 article. I think it makes the article much better and easier to understand. I hope you don't mind that I have made some changes in my sandbox, in an effort to make it more consistent with other parts of the article, and add exit/mile number information. In addition, I have proposed on the talk page that this table be moved into the "Exit List" section, and the existing huge table be split off into its own separate article. What do you think? Thanks, Hotstreets 07:29, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Notre Dame Stadium

Saying that Notre Dame football is "the most storied" anything is POV. It is an opinion (which one could disagree with, saying that Michigan, Alabama, or the Ivies are "more storied"). Rkevins82 05:15, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Catholics versus Convicts

Usenet Trivia removal

Just curious as to the reason for the removal. For those that were following the games on Usenet at the time, it was not just trivia. Should it have had the exact link instead? For example, there are a set of Usenet links in the 9-11 page, showing the first comments about the event.

By pointing out the poems from both sides, it was showing the level of noteriety these games had. But, as a good wikipedian, I will not reinsert it, especially as a new member.

If you want to put a new Trivia section with links to both the posts, that would be fine, IMO. It doesn't belong in the article proper. KelleyCook 21:50, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Lou Holtz (football)Lou Holtz

I have removed this from the Uncontroversial proposals section. That section says "If there is any doubt as to whether a page move could be opposed by anyone, do not list it in this section.". Since this resulted from a page move by another editor it is possible that they may object. Please relist in Other proposals. You should also place the appropriate template on the talk pages of both articles. BlueValour 00:04, 18 November 2006 (UTC)


I found this page and moved lou holtz football back to lou holtz. In my mind there is no reason there needs to be a qualifer here. 99.99% of people who are looking for info about a lou holtz on wikipedia are looking for the football coach Smith03 00:00, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Ref conv

Sorry for the downtime. References converter is now back up and running. About a week ago the hard drive in my server crashed. Luckily it stayed together long enough to allow me to pull all the data off onto a new hard drive, but I still had to go through the process of installing Linux on the new hard drive, installing all the necessary programs, and loading in all of the old data from the server. I got all of my essential services up within two days (CVS, Apache, Wiki), but I kind of forgot about web scripts, which I finally got around to fixing today. Everything should be fully functional again. If you see any bugs, just send me a message. You are receiving this message because you are on the spamlist. If you no longer wish to receive these messages, simply remove your name. --Cyde Weys 19:13, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Brady Quinn

Hi KelleyCook,

I certainly can understand your misunderstanding, but the section you deleted (regarding Brady Quinn's record) was not the work of an anonymous serial vandal.

Per the article History, User: Phydend had corrected the last of that anonymous vandalism at 1545hrs. Your edit at 1603hrs simply deleted a section that I had marked as "unreferenced" yesterday. It probably has some opinion therein, but it should not have been deleted pending someone determining that statements were factual or not.

Could you please revert it to the last version by User: Phydend or my last version User:Lmcelhiney as I'd rather not be blocked on the "3-revert rule."

Thanks for taking the time to correct this.

Take care,

Larry

Lmcelhiney 21:48, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

The reworked section is of course now fine, but it originally was added by this edit here [3]. This is a repeat vandal from a random Southeast Mich DSL account who pretty much only posts exaggerated claims about University of Michigan and negative things about Notre Dame. His account is routinely blocked soon afterwards. As usual, it was highly biased and the same things he always does (lowers Notre Dames law school/business rating, changes its location to South Bend, raise Michigan to #1, etc.). I just reverted all of his stuff. -- KelleyCook 15:21, 30 December 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for the added information. I missed the originator and thought that you were suggesting that I was the serial vandal, sorry. My original point was that there probably were facts therein and we've collectively managed to attribute all of that into a worthwhile portion of the article. I'd like to help contribute to this article to allow it to move up the review scale on the WikiProject College football as indicated on the article talk page. To that point, I believe that the Vince Young article can offer us a template to improve this article. Any thoughts? Lmcelhiney 16:19, 30 December 2006 (UTC)
As you'll note, I didn't change the name, I just restructured the paragraph. Someone needs to get a definitive statement as it sounds like there are multiple sources with differences to me. (Though I could be wrong! :-)

Larry

Lmcelhiney 14:12, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Desubstitutions

Thanks for your note! My entire response is on my talk page for you to read. —Remember the dot (t) 21:58, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] An article which you started, or significantly expanded, Cingular All-America Player, was selected for DYK!

Updated DYK query On January 14, 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Cingular All-America Player, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.

Thanks for your contributions! Nishkid64 15:01, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] U.S. 12 - Junctions with I-94

In this case I would say the most prevalent would be the case - Per WP:USRD and WP:USH - we keep our junctions limited at 10 per route - if you wish to indicate the multiple I-94 junctions a more appropriate place would be on a sub-article for the state - U.S. Route 12 in Michigan. From Minneapolis eastward, U.S. 12 parallels I-94 (except between Madison and Chicago where it takes a more southeasterly direction away from I-94.) I would suggest the most prevalent place to note a junction with I-94 is Ypsilanti, Michigan and remove all other junctions with I-94 from the infobox. • master_sonLets talk 16:08, 15 January 2007 (UTC)


[edit] M6 Paul Henry Freeway

I was wondering if the citation needed can be removed from the info about the design of the freeway. I put in some comments hidden since there is no way to cite it properly. To give you an idea about why it is difficult to cite is this. One of the early 90's transportation bills told the states they must design any new roads using fed money with metric. This was fine but contractors needed english measurements so a few roads got messed up with the conversions (they did not convert everything on some of the blueprints) as such most states if not all have told the feds to bother somebody else. M6 was a road designed and built in metric during that time but after a few years of messing around with it they canceled the idea in the State. --Mihsfbstadium 10:48, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

I didn't originally add the {{fact}}, that was done[4] by User:Bkonrad. That being said I would think the comments should suffice. -- KelleyCook 14:39, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Thank you

Thank you for clearing up the matter with the now departed Hondasaregood. I now understand that I shouldn't have deleted those two articles on college footballers and will refrain from doing so in the future. It's just sad that he couldn't have stayed after the incident. I apologize for any upset caused during or before the debate. Bobo. 13:23, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Re: My RFA

Thanks for the support. I don't think time-based qualifications are valid, as being around for a year doesn't mean much (as you said yourself, I've done a lot). It's like the (and my favorite) philosophical question: When does a pile of leaves become a pile? 1? No. 5? Probably not. 50? Maybe. 10000? For sure. Experience and time should be melted together. Somethings just can't be quantified by numbers. I agree I haven't been around here very long, especially compared to folks that have been here since 2003 or more! But RFA's should judge trust overall, and apparently some people have a few reasons to think I wasn't quite ready. I do appreciate the support and plan to give it another go in a few months. I just look on the positive side: I won't have to spend all my time deleting the 20,000+ orphaned fair use images that BJBot marked (I was the idea behind it, but not the programmer). Thanks again for the support and I'll be looking for you next time. --MECUtalk 20:01, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] {{convert}}

Wow! I'm impressed. Way to pick your way through {{convert}}'s coding! You added the units flawlessly ;) high five. drumguy8800 C T 08:02, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] U.S. Roads Newsletter Issue #1

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[edit] Strgate Trivia

Thank you for your edit summary on this page. I appreciate that you looked enough at the full edits of the IP address in question and recognized their actions as a whole were disruptive even if the one edit to the page in question happened to be of merit. The ability to separate an action from the motive for such action is a trait I find many wikipedians seem to lack. Thank you for your intelligence and your good work. TheGreenFaerae 02:26, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] University of Notre Dame

Why did you revert this edit? *Mishatx*-In\Out 22:42, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

For the same reason I and others have reverted this particular edit in various forms at least a dozen times. Please look at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Tolatola. Notice the only page he/she contributes too. Although I'm not going to bother with going through the official Sockpuppet nomination as that is pointless. Even if proven, this particular nom-de-plume will just disappear. It is apparent that the same person, has put this same trivial comment numerous times -- and only on the Notre Dame page, mind you. That fits anyones definition of a serial vandal. Moreover the comment is purely trivial and pointless and clearly is an attempt to "push an agenda" which is against policy. Whoever might care about this particular result from this survey could consult the Princeton Review survey for themselves; it is not a duty of Wikipedia to advertise. Furthermore as I used to put when I reverted this comment, the Princeton Review survey is not a definitive source and even worse falls under the definition of a WP:SPAM as they require registration to access their site. Finally, at some point this person tried to sneak in yet another non-notable Dream School reference from that same source and then attempted to use it to justify their anti-gay statement. Therefore, until an WP:ARB rules against me, this random pointless comment will be removed. -- KelleyCook 03:25, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
I see. I left my two cents on the article's talk page. Hopefully you guys can work it out. *Mishatx*-In\Out 07:03, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

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[edit] Stanley Griswold

Hey KelleyCook, thanks for improving the page on my father Hap Moran but now that I see your user page I have a question for you - about Stanley Griswold. He was a veteran of the revolutionary war and the minister of our church in New Milford, Connecticut. In 1804 he was Secretary of Michigan Territory and acting Governor. In 1808 he was appointed a Senator from Ohio to fill out a resigned term. I'm looking for an image of him - engraving, drawing, painting, etc. He's one of the few Senators who does not have some image in the Library of Congress - any ideas of where else to look? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Revmoran (talkcontribs) 03:14, 6 March 2007 (UTC).

Sorry, I do not know where to look for this. -- KelleyCook 16:18, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

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[edit] Active user verification

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[edit] Metro Detroit Freeways

Hi, KelleyCook. I just moved this from the top, because I just now realized that new additions go at the bottom of the page. You made the following comment on why you deleted a paragraph that I had written. I appreciate the explanation. :-) (from "List of gaps in Interstate Highways")

"I-275 is not a connection gap, it is a legitimate loop between I-75 and I-96"

"Loops" are only supposed to bypass a certain area, and connect to the parent at both ends (the Capital Beltway, e.g.). Sure, 275 is a shortcut if you want to switch from 75 North to 96 West, on a journey from Monroe to Lansing. But I think 275 is more importantly used for bypassing the city of Detroit while driving on 75 North (dictated by the number 275 if you look at the IHS numbering scheme), although US-23 on its own does at least as good a job (talking about cross-country drivers, not local residents). I'm glad you didn't delete my addition about the definitions of even/odd numbered 3-digit highways. I put that in there to justify my notes about 275 and 696, since both are even numbers, and neither conform to even numbered standards. 275 is a connection gap because the northern terminus is not 75, that's how I see it. Doesn't matter if you can get there by other routes. Also, 696 should be odd numbered. Maybe they just liked the sound of 696. I do...

Ypsidan 02:28, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

Hi, Your misunderstanding is in the very first statement about even number 3di standards. See Interstate Highway System#Three Digit Interstates. An even number auxiliary interstate (aka loop 3di) is actually the correct number to connect any two Interstates. Note that I-696 (an even number) connects (and has since the day it was put on the books) I-96 and I-94. Also see 3di primer @ Kurmai.com.
I do understand the original routing that I-275 was supposed to go up to reconnect Davisburg, and even why it was built with four lanes while portions of the I-75 in Oakland County remained at 2 lanes until 1987 … but obviously things changed. Nevertheless that doesn't mean that the designation was wrong after the road was canceled. -- KelleyCook 03:09, 27 March 2007 (UTC)