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[edit] They Got The Wrong Pickle

Somebody should add something about this.

Why? It says ONE line about Kellie Pickler, and numerous paragraphs about some other Pickler. 4.224.162.171 03:01, 8 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Controversy Section

I removed a HIGHLY suspect controversy section today added by MisterHand, the "source" was an Anti-American Idol type page that was in the format of a blog, ranting about their "source" who turned out to be an "un-named friend" of the subjects. The person supplies non-verifiable information that in my opinion shouldn't be included UNLESS it is reported in a true magazine or newspaper, not some internet fan-site/blog entry. I sure hope MisterHand comes on here to defend this so called "source." Like the subject or not, stuff that diminishes character like that needs a serious source. Batman2005 04:24, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

I agree that the source is dubious, but the stuff been flying all over the internet today, so my goal was to put up the information in as NPOV manner as possible in an attempt to stave off anybody who might try and use the information to promote a certain agenda. I think the best approach might be to leave the section out for now and "wait and see." If people keep adding the information back in a POV way, or if this story grows wings, we can always pull back my NPOV version of the material. -- MisterHand 04:33, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

Good thinking, i too think she's putting on an act, maybe not totally, but definitely some. That website is pretty ridiculous though, they don't appear to like a single person on the show. Batman2005 04:38, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

The idea that she's a phoney seems to be gaining steam: "Then there is the case of Kellie Pickler. Kellie, Kellie, Kellie. I will be the first to say it – I think she’s pulling the wool over our eyes. The evidence seems to be mounting that the wide-eyed hayseed thing is nothing but a routine." But, aside from being pro-Idol, FoxesonIdol isn't much different from VotefortheWorst, so still no "mainstream" source, I guess. — BrianSmithson 16:25, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Anonymous User Vandalism

An Anon recently vandalised the page with the same controversy discussed about, and a new little tidbit about her father being "in and out of jail for helping with the Oklahoma City Bombing." Despite the fact that he wouldn't be "in and out of jail" for being a part of the bombing...he'd probably be IN jail or OUT of jail already. Here is a reputable (you know, a news story, not an internet blog) it CLEARLY states that her father is in jail for a number of things...stabbing, drunk driving, armed robbery, assault. No mention of ever having known Timothy McVeigh, Terry Nichols, been to Oklahoma. Please delete this obvious nonsense if you see it in the article again! Batman2005 05:37, 12 March 2006 (UTC) http://www.charlotte.com/mld/charlotte/entertainment/television/13893587.htm

[edit] Pickler on the spectrum?

It was mentioned in the recognised persons with autism page. Evidence, please.

--EuropracBHIT 11:27, 21 March 2006 (UTC).

[edit] Fact details

The "naughty little minx" comment is attributed to the performance of Walkin' After Midnight, but if memory serves, it was actually made after the I'm the Only One performance. Is it not so? --AlphaEtaPi 20:48, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

Yes, you are right. I've just moved the comment to the correct performance. SteveJ2006 05:50, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Father - Drug Abuse or Stabbing?

On the American Idol Season FIve Article it says that Kellie's father was in jail for drugs, yet here it states he was involved in a stabbing. Where are you getting this information? Which is right? A little consistency and reliable information would be nice. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 142.106.21.230 (talk • contribs).

earlier i looked up Kellie's father in the Florida Department of Corrections. He is in jail for aggravated assault and battery...stemming from the stabbing incident. There's a charlotte newspaper source that says that he's been in jail before for drug related incidents. 68.78.15.99 19:31, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Encyclopedic Value

Can someone justify the inclusion of an infobox from a celebrity magazine not known for its neutrality or quality saying that the subject is dumb? And if you can justify its inclusion, how is it at all encylcopedic? I grow tired of all these blurbs on these pages like this. These sites are supposed to be for useful information about current events, famous people, etc. Not for the posting of things like..."she's compared to a fellow dumb blonde." It's like including every little bit of celebrity gossip into these articles. I fail to see the value of the "Comparisons" section, so if nobody can give a good solid wikipedia reason to keep it, i'm going to remove it as as entirely non-notable. Batman2005 05:32, 25 March 2006 (UTC)

I've removed the image and relocated the material to a mainline treatment of her character on the show. Wasted Time R 13:52, 25 March 2006 (UTC)

I've removed the paragraph you added because it appeared to be POV. While it has indeed been speculated by some, it has not been proven anywhere that she is merely "playing a character" on the show, and that she is not being presented as she truly is, therefore that paragraph is vague speculation and not really encyclopedic. Let's keep this article limited strictly to the relevant facts for now. SteveJ2006 09:34, 26 March 2006 (UTC)

All of "reality" television involves the presenting of characters, to at least some degree ... but that's a story for another day. I've tried again, just mentioning facts of what she's said. See what you think. Wasted Time R 13:10, 26 March 2006 (UTC)

Yes, that does seem better, thanks for the rewording. SteveJ2006 16:58, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] "What's a ballsy?"

She really can't be that stupid....can she???

Not everyone knows trash slang sir. Even I have no clue what ballsy is, whether it means someone guttsy or in reference to male anatomy I don't know. But I'm quite sure you are clueless about some slangs other people know too. - Pete (8/23/06)

[edit] Votefortheworst and Kick Pickler

Reputable source and verifiable source mean that the information comes from some organization with professional knowledge of a certain area, and that the information contained therein can be independently verified. Both of these sites show nothing more than blind quotes, without attribution to individuals. These should not be included in this page, if a source arises that says she is putting on an act with the names of those accusing, then by all means we'll include that in a controversy section, however, blind quotes are not considered reputable by ANY standard. Additionally, the "sources" that the anonymous user says are in the pages go back to blogs and internet forums, i could write a blog saying that George Clooney is a martian, that doesn't mean it would be included on his webpage does it? No, thus none of these rumors, until substantiated, should be included here. Batman2005 13:08, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

Kellie said, live on American Idol, that she had "never sang in front of people before" and that she had only "ever sang in the shower before." From the horse's mouth - is that reputable enough for you? What do you want, a video of her saying it? The Kick Pickler site has images of her performing live in a state-wide singing contest, and links to the TV station's website listing Pickler as a finalist, and featuring many photos of her singing in that contest. This is evidentiary sound proof that she is putting on an act. Yet you keep deleting the links to the Kick Pickler and Vote for the Worst sites. Why? You are exercising editorial bias. Her own statements, made live on national television, and the news articles and photos of her competing, are both admissible in court. But theyre not "solid" enough for Batman2005 at Wikipeda?

I heard her say it, and i've heard her say it a few times. But the information on Kick Pickler doesn't stop at showing photos of her singing in front of a crowd, it goes on to make OTHER, non-verifiable nameless quotes that are more than likely made up. If the information listed on Kick Pickler (the quotes and allegations that she's playing up her accent etc) are printed by a newspaper, on television, etc. with real sources, then it should be included. As the article stands now, there IS mention of the discrepency between her singing history, notice the line "Pickler won the "Miss Stanly County" pageant at age 17 and subsequently competed for Miss North Carolina 2004. In 2005, she made an appearance on WSOCTV's Gimme the Mic! contest and took second place.[3]" Additionally, showing her singing isn't "evidentiary sound proof" that her whole persona on the show is an act, the claim on Kick Pickler is that she's playing up her roots, that she's basically invented this whole other person just to win a contest. It very well may be true, but it's not been reported by a reputable source. What is this, Law & Order? Admissible in court? What are you talking about? Sign your comment next time. Wikipedia is not in the habit of printing unsubtantiated rumors, which is what 90% of Kick Pickler is. Batman2005 04:25, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

Well, they referenced the fact that people are doubting Pickler's on-screen persona on the show last night. The article really should include this controversy. It does not strain our verifiability policy to say that certain websites have alleged that Pickler is putting on an act. That's verifiable information, even if the claims themselves are not. — BrianSmithson 19:34, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

The article does reference it. It acknowledges the conversation Seacrest had with her last night that you are referring to. That is enough for now. As far as the websites you mention, those are fan websites, just like any other fan website, they are not credible sources by any means, and therefore have no reason to be referenced here. SteveJ2006 23:49, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

The article talks about her ditzy persona, but it doesn't say anything about the fact that people are saying she's putting on an act. And I'm not saying we should list votefortheworst or kickpickler in the External Links section. I'm saying that these sites have made claims that have gotten enough attention that they were mentioned on the show. We shouldn't be burying this, not when the show itself has addressed the issue. — BrianSmithson 02:56, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

I think a good rule to go by here is that when these allegations or rumors of putting on an act are printed by a serious news organization, with sources that are actually named (unlike kickpickler and votefortheworst) then it should be included. My complete unbiased opinion is that they way it's worded now is good enough for me. Batman2005 04:07, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

Is the show itself not a serious source? I think you are assuming that I want t print the allegations in lurid detail, but I just want to mention that there is a controversy. Like I said, the allegations are not supported by reputable sources, but the fact that allegations are being made is. This has become relevant enough in the opinions of the AI producers that they had Seacrest address it on the show. I've added a line about the controversy that doesn't say it's true but doesn't try to hide it, either. I hope this is a reasonable compromise. — BrianSmithson 14:21, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

The difference is that the show does not make unfounded rumors or create speculation the way that votefortheworst and kickpickler do. The show merely asked if she was putting on an act, she said no. Which should be end of debate about the act nonsense, until a reputable source from Kellie's past comes forth with solid proof that is printed in a reputable news venue. I think the line you've added is good, i think i would add 'one website making such unsourced claims' so that new readers don't look at votefortheworst and think "oh wow, this is true." Batman2005 20:05, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

I have left up the sentence BrianSmithson added, but I have removed the link to votefortheworst once again. I agree that this issue should be addressed since it was brought up on the show, but what is there now should be sufficient. Since the show did not mention any specific websites, it should not be necessary to name and link to the specific sites here, especially since those sites are not credible sources by any means. Anyone can start a blog site and make claims about a contestant. The article as it is now, makes reference that this line of thought exists, and that the show has addressed it, and we should leave it at that for now, unless further developments deem it necessary to change it. SteveJ2006 13:50, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

[Unindenting for ease of reading.] Works for me. — BrianSmithson 15:09, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

The way they mentioned it on the show was about as "softball" a manner as possible; just vaguely hinting at there being some question about whether she's just putting up an act, and then having her deny it, without really getting into the specifics or mentioning that she's actually been caught in at least one lie: saying she's only sung in the shower before while she has actually appeared in various singing competitions. *Dan T.* 18:34, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

I think what I would say to that is that it's TV. How do we know that what she really said was "i've only ever sung in the shower and a couple competitions" but that part was edited out in an effort to make good television? I take the entire show with a grain of salt. I mean, if they don't even release the voting results, how do we know they even count for anything? The answer is...it's television, and we don't. Batman2005 00:16, 8 April 2006 (UTC)

I'm actually a fan of mentioning it, but NOT linking the website. By linking the website we've giving some credibility to the claims by linking them to a factual article about the subject. Good work Steve. Batman2005 17:49, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Gwen Stacy

You kinda gotta know about Spider-Man to understand this but, is it just me, or does Kellie Pickler look alot like Ultimate Gwen Stacy?

Yep, but Kellie looks more mature--hottie 15:26, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Auditions

Does anyone know how the judges voted for her in the auditions? Was it unanimous? Cheesehead Fan 01:42, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

The Greensboro, NC auditions? All three judges said "yes." If you were talking about the final auditions for the semi-final rounds to be voted on by the viewership, the show itself doesn't say, although my impression from the judges' reactions was that it was unanimous. (Paula said "You made it through," and then Simon and Randy each echoed "you are through.") --AlphaEtaPi 07:22, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Wording of the Article

In the American Idol section it says, "On April 19, Pickler and contestant Taylor Hicks became the only contestants among the rest of the Top 6 to never be in the bottom 3."

There is no way to know for sure if Taylor Hicks was in the the bottom three the week that Kellie was eliminated, because they only announced the bottom 2. I would correct it, but I am unsure on how to reword it. Tennis Dynamite 23:57, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

That sentence is referring to the fact that as of that date, April 19, both Kellie Pickler and Taylor Hicks had never been in the bottom three. Obviously that no longer holds true for Kellie, as she has been eliminated, and whether or not Taylor was in the bottom three or not last week doesn't change the fact that as of the previous week, they were the only two that hadn't. SteveJ2006 03:23, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Television Appearances and Post Idol sections

The information contained in these two sections is pretty much the same information. Do we really need this info twice? SteveJ2006 21:28, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

"Post Idol" is meant to be an essay of significant events and facts about Kellie after American Idol, so it may or may not mention facts other sections. But please include references to statements.

"Television Appearances" is a list of significant appearances on TV like live performances, publicity appearances, guestings, etc. This section is needed. I suggest this section be converted in a tabular format having columns like; "Date," "Show," "Details." And possibly the ability to hide/show the table. The table should be hidden by default, if possible. This way, succeeding appearances will be added on top of the list thereby organizing the list from most recent to old events.

So if anyone have plenty of time to do this small project, that would be awesome.Verbatim101 2:16, 27 Nov 2006 (UTC)

Should we put her performance on Idol Season 6 on the Post Idol section or the Idol Appearances section?

[edit] Bye, Bye Pickler

There was a little controversy about Kellie being eliminated. Not as big as Chris Daughtry. But there were several petitions started. So I think we should keep that on the article.

[edit] Mark McGarry

Is there a source that says she is dating this guy? Oh yeah, go to news.google.com and google his name. See what comes up. I hope she's not dating this particular Mark McGarry.--Nmajdan 00:26, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

No...I've seen no source of kellie dating Mark McGarry, and I doubt she'd date THIS Mark McGarry.

[edit] Edit comment re: fansites

The comment was "(rv, its still ok to list one fansite on this page as per WP:EL, doesn't really matter if its on the sirlinksalot page, we can still list one here)."

The exact line from the style guide linked above it is as follows: Fan sites: On articles about topics with many fansites, including a link to one major fansite is appropriate, marking the link as such. In extreme cases, a link to a web directory of fansites can replace this link. (Note: fanlistings are generally not informative and should not ordinarily be included.)

My edit was based on what I bolded, however I guess it can still be left open for interpretation.--NMajdan•talk 14:07, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

I edited that one, i think its still prudent to list one fansite on these article, for those fairweather fans who want to see photos or read a biography, etc. It's more convenient for them to just click one link than go through a drawn out process. Batman2005 02:05, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Main Picture

Shouldn't that pic be changed? It's from American Idol and she's already releasing her CD plus her single is already playing on the radio. This should be the new pic: http://www.k-pickler.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10001/normal_kp_field2.jpg

[edit] Industry-related Websites

When it comes to industry-related websites, BNA Entertainment; Pickler's record label, will suffice. It's not necessary to list artist pages of other media website like CMT. That will preclude addition of others like VH1, MTV, CMA, News media sites etc. An exception would be 19 Entertainment, if that happens, them being partners of her record deal. As of this post, her official site is the one at BNA Records. Thank you. Verbatim101 03:22, November 1 2006 (UTC)

Website is confirmed in her "Small Town Girl" CD inside flap. Credit goes to 74.138.0.210 for first posting the site. Verbatim101 05:46PM, November 1 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Ethnicity

I just found out that part of her ethnicity is German American. Apparently her (paternal) ancestors migrated to Stanly County, NC in the 1880s. Not sure what source to cite, or what is considered reliable or not. Pink moon 1287 21:36, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] 2007 Tour

Kellie did mention about her tour next year on US99.5 FM radio station in Chicago on Halloween. Can anyone put a reference link to official publication showing tour schedule and date of ticket sale? [User:Verbatim101|Verbatim101]] 10:22, November 3 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Post Idol section

Stop vandalizing! Why do you people keep posting statements that are uncorroborated? If you claim it as such please by all means provide link to any documentation from credible sources that will prove your claims. Otherwwise, remove it! MegNC 10:40, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

Should we put her performance on Idol Season 6 on the Post Idol section or the Idol Appearances section?

[edit] Album Sales & Ranking

Gold status is 500,000 units sold (US). Kellie has not reached that yet. Please add cite or remove claim.

Verbatim101 02:51, January 4 2007 (UTC)

[edit] "her son"

Pickler was raised by her grandfather, Clyde Pickler Sr., who worked as an electrician, and her grandmother, Faye Pickler, until her grandmother's death in January 2002. She continued to live with her grandfather and her son Eric until she became a contestant on Idol.

That sounds to me that Kellie herself has a son... is this true? I thought her brother's name is Eric? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 130.189.15.61 (talk) 19:58, 30 January 2007 (UTC).

Somebody seems to want to keep inserting an alleged "fact" that she got pregnant as a teenager and had a son, but as far as I know that's entirely false. *Dan T.* 20:39, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Plastic Surgery

Is there a source on the "enlarged breasts" comment concerning her American Idol appearance on March 1st? Also, if there is, it appears in the wrong spot in the article, as later in the article on her recent visit to the show is reported. 66.31.169.12 21:03, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

Is there any support for the assertion that her breasts looked larger in her season six appearance???

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