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[edit] Tranquilizer Incident
There was no mention of the concert where Keith Moon passed out during "Won't Get Fooled Again" from taking horse or elephant tranquilizers (PCP?). After they took him from the stage Townshend asked an audience member to play the drums for them. I would put it in there myself, but I don't have sufficient information on the event. This could be put in the Trivia or the "A reputation for destruction" sections. BigSciZot 19:09, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
If it is of any help to you, I know the venue was called "Cow Palace", it was in 1973, and the replacement drummer was named Scott Harpin.--Bappzannigan 23:03, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Excessive POV
Someone needs to re-write this article. It was obviously written by a fan and has a lot of POV!
*The POV is restating the opinion of others. I see nothing wrong with the article.
Yes I agree not sure what POV stands for mind you but I am sure it's not good. Errors!! He said lead balloon not zepellin, the last line about 3 remaining members need to be revised and the car in the pool most likely did happen. I have a source on that and will try and find it ASAP.
Hang on, the Wikipedia article on Led Zeppelin quotes Moon as predicting the group would "go over like a lead zeppelin", not a lead balloon. Which one is it, Wikipedia?
I put this quote in to Wikiquote. I found this quote in a book. Keith Moon said: "You'll sink, not like a lead balloon, but even faster, like a led zeppelin." Therefore he used both the analogy of a lead balloon and a lead zeppelin, hence the name of the group. -The Seeker
- what the hell difference does it keith moon rules make?Joeyramoney 05:19, 4 February 2006 (UTC)
I found a site that says Moon died of an overdose from the drug Heminevrin http://www.classicrockpage.com/rrheaven/kmoon.htm Should it be changed in the article? I found two sites that coincide on the drug and I think it should be changed. It's not right to have it wrong, and I understand the site I gave may be wrong, but I think it should be looked into.
[edit] style?
Which is it? Is Moon's drumming "tight", or "anarchic and out-of-control"?
--Re style:--
"Thight" player what comes to timing, "anarchic and out-of-control" what comes to creativity and improvisation.
He was a great mix of both, watch a video of him playing my generation (i'm sure there are better demonstrations but i'm not too hardcore a fan) and you'll notice that his playing would take him all over the place but he was able to stop on a dime in a really amazing way. --Cptbuck 02:41, 12 October 2005 (UTC)
He knew exactly when the band needed timing from the drums, and gave them it then. The rest of it was complete mad energy.
Moon's sense of time and melodic structure were both impeccable. Every note he played was just where it needed to be. (ever listen to 'the ox' from 'the who sings my generation') ? - his playing was unpredictable and insane, and his energy was off the charts - but I'd never call it out of control.
it says "Contemporary drummers and percussionists such as Neil Peart, Mitch Mitchell, Jeremiah Green and John Bonham could all point to him as a major influence." now, most of these guys were playing the drums while Moon was still in high school. Mitch Mitchell might have been in the club circut already, Neil Peart may be the only realistic one there.
[edit] Led Zeppelin / Lead Balloon
According to John Entwistle the original comment was "Lead Balloon", which fits with traditional English slang of the time. It's a term that has now pretty much faded from everyday use.
The "balloon" became a "zeppelin" for obvious reasons. The name was originally going to be used by Entwistle and Moon for their own band when they seriously considered leaving The Who (sometime around 1968) due to all the internal conflict.
A keen artist, Entwistle also claimed that he'd designed a rough album cover for this project....which featured a Zeppelin going down in flames....and the next time he saw an album with this image on the front, it was a certain other band....
[edit] Bisexuality?
There is no evidence whatsoever of Moon being bisexual. The only bisexual in the Who was Pete Townshend. This is why I have removed the link to the GLBT category. Prairie Dog
[edit] Pete
Pete Townshend has denied claims that he is bisexual.
The rumours about Pete Townshend being bisexual originated from an interview where he described the song "Rough Boys" from his album "Empty Glass" as an account of his "gay life." Many people interpreted this as a coming-out. However, Townshend has clarified his statement as simply being a reference toward his friendships with people who are gay. He denies all accusations of him being a bisexual.
[edit] The Car/Swimming Pool Rumor
Another rumor thats not necissarily true about kieth is that he watched the buddy holly story the night he died. Rolling Stone's 1000th issue said that this isn't true. I don't know anything about it, but it would be worth investigating.
He did drive a car into a pond first after having an argument at tara with kim.
On Topgear (12/12/2004), Roger Daltry says (when asked about Keith Moon driving a car into a swimming pool): "I didn't see it, but I saw the bill". "I did see a bill for retrieving a Lincoln Continental from the swimming pool".
This isn't necessarily conclusive evidence, but it might be worth noting that there is still some debate about that particular event.
I saw a documentary series a few years ago called "Rock 'n' Roll Myths" that had an episode about this rumor. They talked to John, Roger and Pete alongside many of Keith's friends and employees of hotels that he had visited, but none remembered this happening. He did, however, drive his Rolls Royce into a river. There's a popular photo of this, which appears in the 'Cobwebs and Strange' section of the 'Kids Are Alright' movie. 87th 21:07, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
I can't remember which site I found this on, but Roger Daltrey says that he remembered the bill being $50,000 and that or he had been living another life or something.
[edit] Autistic
From http://www.guardian.co.uk/arts/fridayreview/story/0,12102,1399761,00.html
In this interview, Roger Daltrey speculates on whether Moon might have been autistic. Might be interesting to put in the article
"Keith was a savant," he says. "The most amazing mimic. He could vacuum a character off someone in 10 minutes and he would then become them. Not just a caricature, he'd get inside. It was scary! He may have been a little bit autistic; we didn't know about those things then. There was definitely something different in his head."
[edit] Year of birth
Ok, so I changed his birth category to match the article (1947 > 1946), and the text has now been changed from 1946 > 1947 - plaus the note afterwards now seems to suggest it might have been 1948! Is there a definitive reference out there? sjorford (?!) 11:43, 23 August 2005 (UTC)
If you want to know any of the above for sure, read Dear Boy: The life of Keith Moon by Tony Fletcher. Nuff said.
[edit] Goldfish
Why isn't there anythign about his Goldfish Tank from The Tommy and Quadrophenia Live! Documentaries? I believe when asked why he had the goldfish in the tank next to his drumset, he replied, "Even the best drummers get hungry sometimes."
Legovan 17:19, 12 April 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Death of Neil Boland
Neil Boland's daughter has tried to investigate her father's death and reports that witnesses said Moon was not driving the car. See her website at: http://del_pasado.tripod.com/keithmoonwasnotdriving/Pkeets 17:32, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Muppet Babies
I loved the article written about Keith Moon, but I would like to add one more thing that I have heard about him that might be nice to add into this article.
I have heard from different people that the character "Animal" from the muppet babies, is loosly based on keith moon, his style of play, and his life style. after researchin i found that there is already an article that has this info in it under the title "dr. teeth and the eletric mayhem" so if possible it would be cool to link these two together somehow.
- Maybe it's time for a Trivia section? With trivia sections though, they have to be watched carefully, as mundane facts and repetitive information tend to find their way into them. OsFan 22:05, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Biography
I've taken out a LOT of the biography section as the information was already in the article in other places. Also, a hell of a lot of it is unsourced, so I've stuck [citation needed] tags everywhere. This needs to be sorted out sharpish. MightyMoose22 >Abort, Retry, Fail?_ 03:45, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
Most of the "unsourced" items come from Tony Fletcher's biography of Moon. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.106.208.174 (talk • contribs).
- Well that's good, but they're still unsourced. If you can give them reference tags saying which page of the book they each appear on (or at least which chapter), then they will no longer be unsourced. MightyMoose22 >Abort, Retry, Fail?_ 22:27, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
I've got a copy of "Dear Boy" upstairs - it's a very good read and has been praised for its research. It was the first book to give Moon's correct birth date with a picture of his birth certificate. I can pull out the relevant chapters without too much hassle. --Ritchie333 20:28, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
[edit] I corrected a few things
1. he played a Ringo Drum
2. he was also heavily influenced by the beach boys, AND played that kind of music. Here is my source - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DfxXwdtItXM
-TheBird
When you say he played a Ringo drum kit, do you mean one that was used by Ringo Starr? If so, that seems a bit unlikely, because at 14, it was 1960, The Beatles really didn't become popular for a few years later. JetPack 11:44, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
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[edit] Spirit of Keith Moon
There's a song called "Spirit of Keith Moon", published by the band "Peter and the Test Tube Babies" on their 1986 album "Soberphobia". It describes a 1st person character being instructed by Keith's spirit "through the psychic telephone" to rearrange his hotel room. Where does such a piece of information belong? 82.82.166.99 11:55, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
- The pop culture section. OsFan 22:21, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
[edit] ADHD
"It is possible that Moon had undiagnosed ADHD. This affliction was known at the time, but in a much lesser degree and may have been ignored. Moon later got heavily into drugs, especially amphetamines. Amphetamines in small doses is a common medication for ADHD, as it helps the patient concentrating. Moon's dependency on this drug somewhat strengthens the theory that he had ADHD, his positive experiences may be caused by better focus and a clearer mind, in addition to the more recreational effects of the drug." Are there any references to back this up, or is it all just speculation? SilentC 02:23, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Keith Moon bar
Why does the bit saying that one of the bars at the London Astoria is named after him as a tribute require a citation?
[edit] early life
those uncited statements were said on VH1 behind the music.
[edit] Flags
I have twice removed two (!) England flags from the infobox on this article. If there is consensus here that we need these then I will stop removing them. There is a centralised discussion on using flags this way at Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style#Flag icons - manual of style entry?. --Guinnog 17:26, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
