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[edit] Ellis F. Lawrence

Wow! He was a busy architect. But I'm confused. Are all of those building on the NRHP? What is different about the "Other buildings" section?

Also, perhaps E.F. should be included in Wikipedia:WikiProject Oregon. Twisted86 18:29, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Magic Mile

Thanks for the compliment. It still needs work though, and I'm waiting for responses from historians to fill in the blanks, but at least I know where the blanks are now.

How did you know it was changed and respond so quickly? Do you have like 6,000 articles on your watchlist? — EncMstr 23:52, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] redun links

I don't think its reduntant to remove the astoria column from points of interest. Its is a point of interest. I would put both links back Thanks —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Thisuser (talk • contribs) 19:14, September 17, 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Eugene, Oregon

Hi Katr67. Removing that statement is entirely appropriate, I feel no great need to revert it back in. I agree, its one of those things thats unlikley to be backed with reliable sources. Thanks for your diligence. All the best, Gwernol 19:09, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Linking dates/official titles

Yep, aware of that with dates. And your hunch was right — in this case, I think it provides context for the article. I would be interested to know what else was going on in that year. Official titles: I debated about those.... I finally went with gut. Happy happy. Twisted86 21:14, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Patricia Leines

Leines is probably best left not wiki-linked... she is at the bottom of my priority list for creating beauty pageant titleholder articles right now and it will be difficult to find sources etc for a 1996 titleholder... but yes she is notable because she competed in Miss America, and even more so because she placed 2nd runner-up. I appreciate the Miss Oregon article is sparse at the moment but when I get a chance I will add the winners table and she will appear there. -- PageantUpdater • talk | contribs | esperanza 01:23, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

Lol its not quite enough to make an article yet (and as I say she's at the bottom of my priority list :P) but I did actually find some press coverage, so unusual to find stuff that far back!: [1], [2], [3] (the last one doesn't talk about her being Miss Oregon but she's in the bottom right pic!) -- PageantUpdater • talk | contribs | esperanza 01:35, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Douglas-fir

Thanks! The Oregon trees cat is (as I guess you've seen) correctly at Coast Douglas-fir, as Douglas-fir is the genus page covering all the species of Pseudotsuga (from several countries). I'd guess the project tag should be moved across, too. - MPF 22:57, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Barlow

Hi again, Katr67. I added a Sam Barlow stub recently, and couldn't help but wonder if Barlow, Oregon was related somehow. Googling was uninstructive. Did you mention once that you possess a magic book of places in Oregon? Would it have the reason for naming the town? Maybe Sam lived there? Maybe his descendants did?

In the which-to-that conversion (as you just did in Mount Hood): why? Perhaps my Italian and Latin language experience is interfering, but seeing that makes me first wonder if the writer had trouble thinking of the right word. I don't remember anything about this in the Chicago Manual of Style, nor in several style manuals.... — EncMstr 19:48, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] The Magic Book

Voila! There are four entries in Oregon Geographic Names:

  • Barlow, Clackamas County, Oregon
  • Barlow Butte, Morrow County, Oregon
  • Barlow Creek, Hood River and Wasco Counties, Oregon
  • Barlow Road

Of these, the creek and the road are named for Sam. The town is named for his son William. The butte is probably named for Daniel S. Barlow (unknown if related), who filed some records with the Bureau of Land Management regarding nearby land in 1908.

There is also a passing reference to another Barlow Butte, which is the source of the aforementioned Barlow Creek. This butte is named for Sam.

[edit] References

— Twisted86 - Talk - at 06:30, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks

Thanks for the handoff & assist. I thanked Twisted86 too. — EncMstr 07:15, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Re: WP:ORSH

Hi, thanks for the wonderful welcome. As you probably know, there's a lot to do with the highways right now, so I'll focus on that for now, rather than participating in the main Oregon WikiProject. Sorry I can't be of more help to you guys, but thanks again for the welcome. -- NORTH talk 23:36, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Silver Lake, Oregon

Well, see for yourself.... I sensed a certain dryness of wit in the writing of Mr. McArthur for this place. In other words, it's still pretty stubby. — Twisted86 - Talk - at 07:22, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Opinion wanted on Mt. Lassen

Hi---this isn't quite in Oregon, but I wanted to get some discussion on a recent re-name of Lassen Peak to Mt. Lassen. I mainly want to clarify for myself how to apply the naming conventions, not to religiously affirm one name over the other. If you're interested, have a look at Talk:Mt. Lassen and put down your opinion. Thanks! -- Spireguy 02:45, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] astoria movies

I think it would be cleare if the town had a separate section on movies. any reason why it was moved? thanks —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Thisuser (talk • contribs) 1:19, October 7, 2006 (UTC)

Hi, as shown in my edit summary, I didn't move the movie section. All the movies are already mentioned in the history section, so I have deleted a couple edits adding a movie section as redundant. "Movies filmed in Astoria" may or may not justify a separate section. I personally don't think it's critical that they have a separate section, (unless the list is complete--(see imbd)) but if one is made, the existing info (which is properly wikified) needs to be moved, rather than having people who haven't noticed the properly wikified films in the history section attempt to start a redundant section. Thanks and happy editing! P.S. Don't forget to sign your posts with 4 tildes (~~~~). - Katr67 01:50, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Roseburg, Oregon

Thanks! I'd been wanting to add a blurb about the Roseburg Blast for a while, and while I was there I saw that it needed a little work. I'm not very active these days, but I was glad to be able to accomplish one or two things of substance the last couple days. Keep looking over our Oregon places! Demi T/C 02:12, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Linn City

Thanks. I try. I fancy myself a writer. A mcmurray 21:17, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

  • Your edits were cool, I get a bit verbose sometimes. A mcmurray 21:26, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
  • Thanks for the kudos and full disclosure. ;)A mcmurray 04:09, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] So you're interested in the local dialect?

Me too. The one bit of trivia I usually mention is that as a child I learned the word davenport before the word sofa. Most of the other local dialect vocabulary that I'm aware of is either extinct (e.g., "cork boots", "tin pants") or more rare than a liberal Republican (when I was still doing my time in phone support years ago, I actually had a person calling from the Washington side of the lower Columbia say that his son was "skookum with computers"; I've never heard that word in the wild since).

BTW, which part of the state do you hail from? -- llywrch 16:52, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

So it sounds as if you live far enough up valley where you might hear the native drawl of the descendents of the Southerners who came to Oregon by wagon train? (Yes, this feature has been documented. I'll have to find my cites.)
Not trying to one-upsman you, but my other bit of trivia of the local dialect was that I've been told my parent's first argument they had after they were married (this was in 1948) was over what to call the tinsel they were hanging from the tree: my Dad (from Wisconsin) called it "icicles" & my Mom (Portland-born) called it "sleet". I won't claim that "Toll-house cookies" is a local dialect word, though. ;-)
BTW, thanks for the pointer to the PNW dialect page. I now need to look up my cites to add some more info to that page. -- llywrch 19:14, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Grass Valley, Oregon

Hello, You recently deleted my edit to the Grass Valley page. I realize the way it was previously written was unencylclopedic, so I rewrote it. This is not made up, it is complete fact. So, I hope you will allow this new edit to remain.

The city is also known for its gas station, "Gas and Diesel." People who stop at the station are treated to an extensive magic show, where, among other tricks, such as telling a person's age with a ruler, the gas station owner uses various denominations of American money and folds them in such a way that they look like familiar landmarks, such as the Portland State Prison and The Twin Towers.
—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 70.73.37.146 (talk • contribs) 03:50, October 11, 2006 (UTC)

Actually, it is not the way it is written that is unencyclopedic, it is the content. The features of one particular business in any given small town are usually not notable. However, I'll make a good faith effort to search Google and see how well known this particular business is. In the future, please remember to contact users on their talk pages and not their userpages, as you did on my user page today. Also, please sign your posts with 4 tildes (~~~~). Thanks! Katr67 16:17, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

Well, you did do a good job on the rewrite--thanks. I found two blogs mentioning the place, so what the heck, I even gave it its own header. Still not encyclopedic, but I'm in a generous mood. I wouldn't be surprised if someone else deletes it one of these days though. Katr67 03:11, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] It wasn't vandalism

It wasn't vandalism —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Steven91 (talk • contribs) 0:46, October 12, 2006 (UTC)

What was it then? Katr67 00:48, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Whitney, OR

I will take a look at it indeed. Gracias. A mcmurray 17:46, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

  • Alas indeed. Perhaps there is another similar one in existence in the public domain, I didn't even think about the fair use thing, oh well. Yeah there are other pics that could work, check the image gallery at Animas Forks, Colorado.A mcmurray 19:38, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Cheat-y fix to reduce red-links on Oregon's historic places list

Well, I think it's cheat-y, but some of the other states have done it. Making a separate page for each county. Or sectioning them, like List of Registered Historic Places in Georgia, A-B, etc. If nothing else, I'd make the Multnomah County entries their own page. There are sure enough of them, because of Portland. Just a thought... --Ebyabe 13:34, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Cherry Grove, OR

Katr67,

I am not happy with the edits you have made already to the info I typed in on Cherry Grove. I only entered a few sentences and you have already edited it to be incorrect.

You changed my sentence: "Cherry Grove is situated on the north bank of the Tualatin river as it comes out the Coastal Mountain Range."

to

"Cherry Grove is situated on the north bank of the Tualatin River near where it originates in the Coast Range."

Cherry Grove is quite a distance from where the Tualatin River originates. What I am trying to say is that Cherry grove is where the Tualatin River exits the Coast Range (thanks for your fix) and enters the Tualatin Valley. In other words the Tualatin River flows out of the mountains into Patton Valley, which then opens up to the Tualatin Valley. That is why I called you a busy-body. It would have been better if you asked me what I meant. Hopefully you understand and would not mind fixing it.

If you are a little more patient and wait until I have entered all the information I have on Cherry Grove, you can edit to your heart's content. But it is certainly going to slow me down if I have to type these big emails to you as I slowly enter in the data. I have a lot of information to enter on Cherry Grove. The intent was that I would give the article for my wife to edit after I have entered it. She is an editor and I need her help as English is not my first language.

thanks Booswig 03:34, 23 October 2006 (UTC)booswig —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Booswig (talk • contribs) 23:50, October 22, 2006 (UTC)

[edit] OSU

All the assignment was is to show that we could successfully enter inromation into an online Wiki. I really don't care what you do with what I wrote, just as long as it was up long enough for my teacher to see it, thus seeing I could enter info into a Wiki and giving me a grade. Please put what I had back up, I cant afford to not get the credit for this assignment. Thank you. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Mattingm (talk • contribs) 06:08, October 25, 2006 (UTC)

See the reply from another user on your talk page. And don't forget to sign your posts using four tildes (~~~~). Good luck. Katr67 12:07, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Waldo Park

No problem. I was just there for the first time last week, and found it interesting. Didn't have my camera with me at the time though, so I might have to come back if no one else takes one. I'm thinking it might be nice to work on articles for all of Salem's parks. I'll probably work on ones for Sunnyslope and Secor anyway, as I frequent those fairly regularly. Owen 00:32, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Wakonda

Dear Katr67,

I actually have a book about local history (I grew up around the Yaquina River), that has a still photograph of crew and principal cast members of Sometimes a great notion, and the book says that the photograph was taken during filming on the Yaquina River towards Elk City from Toledo.

Sincerely, Garr1984—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Garr1984 (talk • contribs) 23:38, November 2, 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Reedville

Fell free to add, what I added is about it for my knowledge of the area. I only get mad at people who place things in the wrong city because they think an address makes it somewhere it's not. You would think they could look at a map, but I digress. Aboutmovies 01:02, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Bandon oregon wiki

Hi katr67

I probably don't have the time or energy to list the sources.I do apologies for that and if i am able i will list sources in the near future. I am not a writer but i am a former bandon resident and know the area well.It seemed like the Bandon wiki was mostly an ad for the golf resort.I was attempting to fill it out and give a broader view of the city.Feel free to make any changes you see fit. Thank you, Crusadex—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Crusadex (talk • contribs) 04:00, November 3, 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Find and replace

Thank you so much for your tireless work today on the Oregon Route articles. I was amazed at how many spelling errors there were.

As for the find and replace issue on Interstate 82, there were a couple of minor problems. First, there's technically nothing wrong with linking to a redirect, and "fixing" them is generally advised against, so links like Ellensburg, WA in the infobox could have stayed as is. Also, by replacing every mention of "WA" with the word "Washington", the bullet points at the top of the notes section (such as listing the Tri-Cities) became too wordy. (That's not necessarily your fault, as it shouldn't have said "Kennewick, WA, Pasco, WA, and Richland, WA" either.) The third was in the browsebox at the bottom, where it should have remained the postal abbreviation, rather than spelling Washington out.

Basically, here's what I meant by my edit summary. I tend to avoid using find & replace (or however exactly you made that edit) because, believe it or not, humans are still smarter than computers. If you are going to use find & replace, make sure you actually go through everything making sure you actually want to replace it, rather than just clicking "Replace All". -- NORTH talk 20:45, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Philip Foster

I'm not certain this is the way to do this...but thanks, Katr for checking the Foster update. I am in the process of writing a Philip Foster History and archiving Foster ephemera, items etc. for Jacknife-Zion-Horseheaven Historical Society (Estacada-Eagle Creek-Springwater area) of which I am a board member. JZH owns and operates the Philip Foster Farm national historic site in Eagle Creek. As I do research, I find much of the postings of Oregon History on Foster are wrong, thanks to colorful Foster family histories and my mother, who published many articles. I am in the process of correcting information at other sites, including the End of the Oregon Trail site.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Mimsy J (talk • contribs) 01:59, November 5, 2006 (UTC)

[edit] fixed

You're right... don't know why I was thinking 2007.

--EngineerScotty 19:22, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Orenco Station

I'm willing to create the page for OS, but I don't have enough time to do the article justice at this time. I need to do some research and try and find some non-developer info to use since I don't want to just give my own recollections (appreantly they frown on that sort of thing). So if you are willing to wait, I can get it done by the end of the year, till then I'll be working on Imbrie Farm and Hilhi, plus a few ORSupCourt justices as I already have that info. As to the Orenco / Orenco Station situation, I think of it like this: Orenco Station is a part of the Orenco neighborhood, basically just a development much like The Meadows in south Hillsboro if you know what/where that is. To me Orenco Station is not a neighborhood, but I'm probably being to picky and old school. I'm just not sure if you can have a neighborhood within a neighborhood? I'm not sure if that answers the question, but my support that at least Orenco is it's own place is that the school is Orenco Elementary, not Orenco Station Elementary. Aboutmovies 07:41, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Orenco & More

The Orenco/Station comment works for me. Thanks for beautifying the Old Scotch Church page, it looks great. I'm still learning the ins and outs of the Wiki formating. My new goal is tables! Question with references, my parents have a couple old plates that I think have info on Orenco's old school and the old church, any idea how to reference this sort of source? Thanks Aboutmovies 06:19, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Highway 35

Howdy. I'm the anon who asked if the article should include a note on the closure. Thanks for the prompt and effective editing. You rock. --70.218.82.174 22:58, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

It wasn't all me, but you're welcome and thanks! BTW, if you like it here, be sure to sign up for an account. Katr67 02:45, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Californication

I wasn't trying to censor anything. It just makes more sense with regards to the lyrical content and artistic meaning of the song.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Wolf539 (talk • contribs) 21:02, November 14, 2006 (UTC)

That article isn't about the song, it's about the bumper sticker slogan. Please check the "see alsos" at the top of the article. Katr67 21:11, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
P.S. Please see the the article's talk page. You can explain there how your edit makes more sense. It has pretty much been agreed upon by those of us who grew up in Oregon that that "Californication" is a double entendre. Unfortunately the entire article is based on original research, but if you can provide a citation that the word is *not* based on California+Fornication then it would be a legitimate change to the article. Katr67 21:14, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Ashland, Oregon

Katr67,

Question about why you removed the link I added to Ashland Oregon...

The Ashland Chamber of Commerce is a 501(c)(3) nonprofit organization that serves the Ashland community. The Chamber is a collection of business-minded people (some live in Ashland, some don't) who use the Chamber to promote their interest, i.e. business. They have a link on Ashland's Wikipedia page.

Friends of the Animal Shelter (FOTAS) is a 501(c)(3) nonprofit organization that serves the Ashland community. We are a collection of animal-loving people (some live in Ashland, some don't) who use FOTAS to promote our interest, i.e a more humane society. We do not have a link on Ashland's Wikipedia page (for now).

So, as it applies to having a link on Wikipedia, what do you see as the difference between a nonprofit like the Chamber, and FOTAS?

Thank you for considering it. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 66.241.87.171 (talk • contribs) 23:14, November 14, 2006 (UTC)

It's not a matter of who lives in Ashland and who doesn't, but the Chamber of Commerce has information of a more general nature about the city of Ashland, while your link is about a specific cause. Though I personally question whether CoC links are necessary external links, it is generally an accepted practice to have links to local chambers of commerce in articles about cities. Like I said on your talk page, Wikipedia is not, however, an indiscriminate collection of links. Any external links should be *about* the topic in question, and not merely *located* in the same place. If every non-profit that is located in Ashland had an external link in the Ashland article, the external links section would soon get out of hand. If you haven't already, please take a look at the links included in the post I left on your talk page. I'm just one editor, so if you'd like a second opinion, I suggest posting at the Village Pump. BTW, your adding the link to several articles is the behavior of a linkspammer. We prefer people add content, not links. One is also discouraged from adding links to organizations of which one is a part. Please see How not to be a spammer and Links normally to be avoided. Thanks. Katr67 23:37, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
Here is a link to a discussion about linking to CoCs. The fact that they are often quasi-governmental is another point I forgot to bring up. Katr67 00:22, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] In-and-outs of Salem

Saw your snip of Salem, which I'd also done the other day (yesterday maybe?); I'd venture that that IP address on the previous edit from yours traces back to Salem; somebody's vanity-edit, something like adding "home of so-and-so, famous xxx nobody". Cute but not cigar, as Groucho used to say (I think it was him). Eugene's way bigger and should maybe be in the list; bigger than Boise isn't it? Vancouver WA should also be in the list I think as, if I recall, the fourth largest WA city, before Spokane in size enit?Skookum1 01:44, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

I gotta run, but just had to say that actually, Eugene and Salem are roughly the same size now. You can see the back and forth about that on Eugene's talk page, I think... Katr67 01:50, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] NRHP

Yes the listings are up to date as of December 27, 2005. I actually have a much nicer county-by-county list from that date which I could email you if you want to use that as a base for your edits. --SFoskett 14:50, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Graphic Arts Center Publishing

The article about the company says that "It is one of the West's largest book publishers". That sounds notable. --TruthbringerToronto (Talk | contribs) 23:18, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Coquille Tribe

If you want a separate article, that is fine. But you need to be the one who writes up the distinctly separate article, since you are the one who wants it. You are the one who is fired up that they need to be separate, then make them separate. You are also the one, apparently, with the knowledge needed to write up a distinctly separate article. Do not just make a copy of the existing article, and declare it a separate article. This is just a duplicate, not a separate article. Duplicate articles waste space in the project and serve no useful purpose. One of the purposes of the redirect system is to avoid duplicate articles like you have created. - TexasAndroid 21:18, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

I wasn't trying to be uncivil, at least I don't think I was. I was, however, very frustrated at your revert comment where you told me to expand the article. I may know a lot about the project, and what is good on it or not, but I know very little about indian tribes. Asking me to expand an article on a tribe is at best a joke. I saw someone who created what is, in the start at least, nearly a forked article, who appears to know the subject, telling me, who knows nothing of the subject, to expand it. So I was very frustrated by that when I saw it.
I'm a wiki-gnome. Specifically I do a lot of clean-up work on the technical side of the project. Categories is where I most often work. And today I happened to be doing a huge amount of clean up on the categories of the tribe articles. I also clean up other thing I see "wrong" as I go along. I saw the apparent article duplication (which I'm now seeing is more a fork than a duplication), which had been sitting unedited by the editor for over a month and a half, and tried to straighten things out, only to be reverted and told to expand it myself.
So I came here and typed while frustrated. And because of that, I guess I typed in something of a "stern lecturer" mode, which I likely should not have done. I likely should have waited a bit before responding. Too late.
So while I apologize if I seemed out of line in my stern tone, please understand how rediculous it seemed to be to me to be told to exand an article on a subject I know little about. (And keep in mind, I do know a lot about what's good or not for the project, and it was in that point of view that I restored to the redirect in the first place.)
All that aside, you still have two pages with very similar intros, and a lot of potential confusion between them. So a few suggestions for when you get to cleaning things up. (And realize these are just IMHO and totally suggestions)
    • Both pages Coquille Tribe and Coquille (tribe) desparately need "Other Uses" links at the top to each other, stressing what the other page is for.
    • I wonder if there is some way to rename one article or the other to lesson the potential confusion. Maybe Coquille (tribe) to Coquille people, or something that helps show how it is different from the other.
    • Both articles should make very plain in the first paragraph of the article exactly what it is that the specific article is about.
Anyway, I did not an will not revert a second time, so the articles are in your hands moving forward. - TexasAndroid 22:10, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Mission Mill

Next time its not too wet I'll see about some pictures of the mill. So it might be a few months.Aboutmovies 06:26, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Attention Please

I would just like to bring your attention to my reply to your comment on my own talk page. I await your response. Aspin Loeborka 07:31, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Mountain passes

Most of the American stuff in the articles I stubbed out came out of my old 1994 road atlas (Rand McNally, I think). The things about European passes was culled from various Web sites. Ksnow 23:14, 29 November 2006 (UTC)Ksnow

Thanks for correcting them. I'm glad someone else is paying attention. I started a major project to document them all, and then got sidetracked with my other geographic project on Switzerland. I might get back to them sometime to flesh out the stubs. Ksnow 22:03, 30 November 2006 (UTC)Ksnow

[edit] Oregon Project Issues

Hi again.

I hope you don't mind my bringing these things up here, rather on the project discussion page. I think they are probably reflective of my newbie status, and don't want to clutter up the talk page there with them.

As you may have noticed, I've been busy trying to fill in some gaps in the topics relating to Oregon government, with particular attention to current and former office holders, as well as some other random Oregon-related subjects which have caught my eye. In so doing, the following questions have arisen:

  1. Fair Use of promotional photos of public figures. As you may be aware, the official portrait of Gov. Kulongoski prepared for and distributed by his office in Salem was deleted on the basis that a free image was readily available. While I doubt that is true, I happened to be in possession of a press photo I had been given for the express purpose of further distributing it (I'm on the local Democratic Central Committee), and so uploaded a scan of it. It, too was threatened with deletion, and I discovered that I had unintentionally stumbled into an area where some administrators are taking draconian measures based on an interpretation of the policy for which there is no general consensus (as evidenced by discusion at Elimination of Fair Use Rationale in Promotional Photos of Living People. Since this has enormous implications with regard to illustrating complete articles on Oregon politicians and other priority areas within the scope of the Oregon project, I thought I should bring it to your attention. (As it happens, I had an "in" at the Governor's office and was able to speedily get official permission to release the portrait for publication and free redistribution, but this will not always be the case.) What are your feelings on this? And, should I avoid uploading press/publicity/campaign photos of Oregon politicians in future?
  2. Template:Infobox_governor -- Most Oregon Governors have held prior offices. The Politician infobox accommodates including information on previous offices held, but the Governor box does not. Is it okay to substitute the Politician infobox in such cases so as to make the "at a glance" info more complete? Also, is there someone involved in the project with the expertise to adapt the Governor infobox to resemble the politician one in this regard?
  3. Oregon project divisions -- I noticed the addition of this section on the project page with redlinks to three of the five divisions. Most of my work will fall within People or Government, with occasional forays into the other divisions. Unless you would prefer a more experienced project member to do it, I would be happy to create Division pages for the remaining ones that are redlinked, and maintain them until others step up to join in.

That's about it for now. I've added your userpage to my watchlist temporarily, so feel free to reply here, or on my talk page, or move the discussion to the project discussion, whichever you deem most appropriate. ---J-M Jgilhousen 01:20, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

Hello again. You know, you've picked two areas in which I am not at all knowledgeable. Though I just fixed up that Ted photo on List of Oregon governors because no matter how you feel about him, being confronted with a fullscreen image is pretty scary :)
Image copyright completely baffles me--I've only uploaded 4 images myself, one for the Klamath Basin article and three for an obscure band called Neighb'rhood Childr'n.
Infoboxes are also not my forté, but I think it would be easy enough to add a line or two to the governor infobox so it resembles the politician one. Go ask about it on the infobox's talkpage and see if anyone has an opinion. If not, be BOLD!
As far as the project divisions, feel free to do whatever you want! You can use the existing subpages as models. The project itself has been pretty quiet, so don't know if you'll get much company. The user who created the project (from the ashes of a previous one that's languishing around here somewhere), PDXblazers, hasn't been around since September (he's a teacher). Someone you might ask about infoboxes is a very active new user and WPOR member, Aboutmovies, who created a bunch of new infoboxes for Oregon history. EngineerScotty is also fairly active and good at the nuts and bolts stuff. My pal Twisted86 might be able to help when he is finished with school this quarter. He's interested in the government stuff. Ajbenj is also into the government stuff.
The project isn't very active, but several of us are quietly plugging away at the the Oregon articles on our own. I was actually going to post to the Project about whether it would be OK for me to divvy the project members into active and inactive status. I think it would be nice to breathe some life into the project and perhaps work toward another FA (featured article) push. The last one several of us worked on was New Carissa. Anyway, that's what I see going on. I think you should post the above query to the Project page, and also may be ask about the image issues at the village pump. It's good to have someone interested in the WikiProject--maybe we can wake it up a little. :)
P.S. the article I started Government of Oregon could use all the help it can get. Right now its mostly a repository for redlinks of state agencies. If we ever want the Oregon article to reach featured status, we will need Government of Oregon, History of Oregon (currently a subpage of EngineerScotty) etc. to look good so we can use them as {{main}} articles under those headings in the main Oregon article. I hope that made sense. Katr67 02:10, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
I'll continue to advocate for what I consider a more common sense approach to "fair use" images, particularly with respect to publicity photos of public figures. Since I am new to Wikipedia, I was hoping someone with more experience could take the lead, but I guess I'll learn the ropes of navigating our internal bureaucracy by just continuing to stumble through it.
I'll go ahead and set up the missing "Project division" pages, at least to give us a framework for keeping our work organized. I, too, am just "plugging away" as I find things that obviously need doing, and am in no way vying for a leadership role in the project. (In fact, I have more interest and expertise to bring to bear on the Christianity project, but it already has a very active membership, so perhaps I can be of more use as a native Oregonian on the state project. I do seem to find myself rolling up my sleeves on Oregon-related articles more than any others.)
I had already noticed the Government of Oregon and related articles you mentioned. As soon as I get some more experience under my belt, working on less comprehensive pieces, I'll turn my attention to them. This will have the additional side-benefit of perhaps eliminating some of the redlinks in the process.
On the "template" issue, I'll use the Politician one for now, and deal with revising the "governor" one later, again, to get more experience first. I appreciate the referrals to others who may be of assistance. Thanks.
It's great to be working with you. --J-M Jgilhousen 02:55, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Elk Cove

Hi. I left you some edits for "Elk Cove, Oregon" including a summary of the plot line from "Overboard", some color about the local Oregon surroundings, and most pointedly: Elk Cove is not fictional, the movie was a piece of enjoyable fiction. Since you appear to control this item and since I can not edit it, I hope you can read my proposed edits and will consider implementing them (in your own words) at your leisure. Be well... Note that one can verify all of what I included in the edits... I/m not interested in being personally involved with Wikipedia, but hope you do consider my request. I will check back to see if you had a chance to make this entry more accurate and bearing more of the story behind the film that led to Kurt and Goldie's own love story. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.44.135.20 (talk • contribs) 05:29, December 1, 2006 (UTC)

If one can verify the information, I invite you to do so. In the meantime, I have reverted your edits. Katr67 09:12, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Oregon ANG Page

Thank you for the constructive help! I am learning how to add info to wiki and every tip helps. Yes, the military does (at least the Air Force) dumps the "n" in "nd" for a simple "d". Example 3rd, 2nd etc. Also once it is referred to in the "142d FW" the "d" can be dropped entirely (142 FW) which is the less formal and most common way of identifying an Air Force unit.

Keep sending tips my way. If you need any facts checked concerning the military or other items let me know. Cory...—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Bowerc (talk • contribs) 23:42, December 1, 2006 (UTC)

You're welcome. I'll be sure to ask if I need help with military stuff, it's definitely not my field, though I've ended up writing a few articles about Oregon-related military history, like Ordnance, Oregon, Camp White, Oregon, etc. I want to get around to writing an article on Camp Adair one of these days too. One more tip--be sure to sign your talk page posts with 4 tildes (~~~~), which results in a link to your user page and a timestamp. Happy editing! Katr67 23:53, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] picture

A picture for you...because you rock! Cacophony 08:19, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Picture

I noticed you requested a picture for Yaquina Bay Light, so I went out today and snapped a shot of it. Dark jedi requiem 01:08, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

Awesome! It's a great pic--you certainly had good photography weather today. And I hope you had fun at the aquarium. Katr67 03:51, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
Thanks! It was a pretty good day. I noticed you asked for the picture and decided to snap one since I live less than 10 minutes away. Both the aquarium and lighthouse was more of a trip for Wikipedia than anything else. I have loads more pictures to upload. :) In a round-about way I donated 6 bucks for camera batteries, and a couple dollars for gas to Wikipedia. (I get in the aquarium for free.) Better way than most to spend my birthday though! Thanks again, Dark jedi requiem 05:22, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
Lucky! I want to live at the coast someday. Happy birthday! Katr67 05:27, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] History

Tried to get a pic of Mission Mill Museum yesterday, but my new camera malfunctioned. I'll try again Tuesday. Then after finals I'll finish up Champoeg Meetings, David Hill, Orenco, and then tackle Oregon Station. After that I'll see about coordinating with some other folks to flush out the History of Oregon pages.

Thanks for the award, and all the editing. Nice rock by the way, is that now of ProjectOregon?

As to stalking, its OK as long as there are no bunnies. But please don't try to kill Reagan to impress me. I'm happily married, and besides Reagan is dead. Though there is this one professor...

Aboutmovies 05:15, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

You're welcome. It's not an Oregon rock, but it rocks nonetheless. If I were of the sociopathic persuasion, there's a politician or two I'd rather take out first... Katr67 05:39, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

Here are the pics, the are in wiki commons. Hopefully they work for you.

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Aboutmovies 23:54, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

These are great--thanks! I'm going to go slap a NRHP infobox on that puppy right now. Hopefully I can work on the article this weekend. Trying to figure out if I can use my tour guide training packet as a reference... Katr67 00:06, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Government article

As you probably noticed from my contributions list, I haven't done much tagging or other editing today. I didn't want you to think I'd burned out already. I finished the "survey" process I undertook, although I am quite sure that I have not yet found a way to do a full text search, but enough ofthat for now.

I spent most of today reading more than I ever wanted to know about Oregon government. (I never really cared which agencies were divisions of which other ones, or who reported to whom, but these become significant when organizing an article.) Anyway, I am getting a clearer picture, but the way my mind works, I think I would get further by doing some articles on the agencies and offices first, and then tackle Government of Oregon. Otherwise, it would be so speckled with redlinks it would drive me quite crazy.

So, unless you really want me to work top down, tomorrow, I'll start de-redlinking Government of Oregon as it reads now; do articles on the major Departments, and meanwhile continue to gather material for the "big" article.

Oh, and on entirely 'nother subject --- I grabbed my camera before running a few errands today, hoping to grab a snapshot of Old St. Peter's, even though it would have been against a grey sky. Unfortunately, when I got there, they had spread out a huge ugly banner in front of the place promoting an evening concert... not exactly the view I wanted. At least you know I haven't forgotten. -- J-M Jgilhousen 05:35, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

Argh, you slacker. Actually, I managed to get away from the computer for several hours today myself. Knowing the names of all those agencies and their subdivisions used to be part of my job. Crazy boring stuff. You know the saying about knowing how sausage and laws are made? It's true. But all you really need to know is that the Oregon Department of Administrative Services (DAS) runs everything. And you may not have even heard of them. Scary huh? My NRHP stuff is on hold for the moment too--like you I'd rather take care of all the redlinked cities before I tackle the buildings in them. And now I think I'm off to write about Azalea--it's the last "A" name that's somewhat noteable... Katr67 06:02, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Rex T. Barber

Katr67, I apologize if that came across as uncivil. I meant it more towards Wikipedia in general than to you personally. We're all volunteers on here. I just see so much information on here that's unsourced, and so I found it a little ironic that something as apparently minor as this guy's involvement in a youth organization was insisted upon being sourced. But, this does follow Wikipedia's guidelines, and will respect such efforts in the future. EOBeav 19:04, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

No worries. You're right about there being a gazillion unsourced statements around here, but since someone had tagged that one, and then you said you knew it was true from personal experience, I couldn't let it slide. (I have reverted too many edits with summaries that say things like "This is true 'cos I was there, I saw the whole thing!" In fact, someone recently added something to an article about a situation where *I* was there, I saw the whole thing so I know it's true, but I slapped a {{fact}} tag on it anyway.) It's an uphill battle against entropy, but someone has to do it. :) So did you know the man? Sounds like he was a class act. Katr67 19:17, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
I never knew him personally, but my brother has lived in the Madras/Culver area for quite a while, and has been familiar with Mr. Barber that way. My father and I were returning from the Bend area last summer when we crossed that bridge, and we had quite a discussion about Rex Barber. When I got home, I found that there was no article for him on Wikipedia, although his name was mentioned in the Admiral Yamamoto page. I went ahead and started one. I'm glad some other people have picked up the ball and run with it. You had mentioned something about the Oregon Wikipedia project. I will look into that a little further. I've also done some work on the pages for the towns of Hermiston and Athena.EOBeav 23:41, 5 December 2006 (UTC) <---Don't want to forget that!  :-)

[edit] Thanks

Hey, thanks for paying attention to the Oregon AFL-CIO page and for making some great edits. You have a great eye for detail. This is my first page and I'm figuring it out as I go along. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by WikiGolightly (talk • contribs) 05:45, 6 December 2006 (UTC).

You're welcome! I try. Keep up the good work. Katr67 18:55, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Mayor of Garden Home-Whitford, Oregon

It isn't nonsense. I am the mayor of Garden Home. Do your research. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Comradeqsp (talk • contribs) 06:53, 7 December 2006 (UTC).

OK. Google search: "Dan Philo" + "Garden Home" = 0 hits. Can you direct me to some sources? Katr67 07:00, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Seaside Signal

Thank you for making the corrections on the Seaside Signal page. In the future I will refrain from editing it as it is a conflict of interest according to the guidelines. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Thedudejessemullen (talk • contribs) 19:09, 7 December 2006 (UTC).

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