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[edit] Nez Perce

The accent markj and associated pronounciation are inaccurate with respect to the Nez Perce. As a teacher of Pacific Northwest history, I grow weary of this common error. At least let Wikipedia get it right.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 67.185.74.220 (talk • contribs) 20:29, February 27, 2007 (UTC)

Welcome to Wikipedia! I suggest you sign up for an account, we can always use more well-informed editors. Unfortunately when an anonymous editor removes content from an article, does not provide sources or discuss the changes on the talk page, or use an edit summary, it's hard for us to tell whether or not the change is vandalism or personal opinion. The use of accents may be wrong, but rather than completely remove the information from the article, it might be best to include it and explain why it is wrong, citing your sources of course, because it is still pretty common to see the accent used. Without a solid explanation in the article, the information may just get added back again by someone else. I hope that helps. Katr67 20:52, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

Thanks. I created an account right after posting the message to you. Now, can you explain why I get messages intended for Oriel College?

[edit] Mission Mill

I think you mentioned that you used to give tours at the museum. If so, do you think the history they are giving is particularly accurate? I ask because their webiste says the Indian School became the Oregon Institute, then Willamette U. I know OI became WU, but according to G. Hines this is not what happened. And from what I've seen elsewhere I think Hines is correct, plus since Hines was there I give his opinion a bit more weight. Aboutmovies 20:15, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

Actually, I haven't started volunteering yet (I'm a slacker), but I have a big packet of information from them.(still wondering if I can cite it as a source, I need to ask) There are definitely some inaccuracies I saw, some minor and silly, but it could be MM isn't right. The way I know the story, the Indian School was kind of a bust, due to lack of Indians and the pressing need to worry more about basic survival. However, there was definitely a need to educate the children of the missionaries and others who showed up, so the Indian School sort of morphed into the Oregon Institute because there were teachers around and people who needed teaching, but I don't know if there was direct lineage. I'll have to check the packet when I get home. The website mentions the lineage in two places, but only one establishes a direct connection between the two. (Egads that site is hard to navigate...) Katr67 21:28, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

Very confusing. I re-looked at the Hines stuff and it isn't clear either. Then the End of the Trail people have on their site it was two different locations. Guess I'll have to check out some books. Thanks. Aboutmovies 21:46, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

Isn't Chemawa mixed up in there as well? Katr67 21:48, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

I think Chemawa is the problem. People are confusing the two and think J. Lee's Indian Manual Training School is the precursor to Chemawa. That's rare, white folk lumping the natives together. Aboutmovies 23:41, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Tsunami hazard zone

Hi Katr67. I am too lazy to add the tsunami hazard sticker anywhere else. In my view it makes sense to have such a warning on pages about coastal touristic resorts at risk. Feel free to revert my addition if you don't think it is useful.--Unconcerned 20:27, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Ghost Towns

I noticed "Ghost Towns" as a project on your other page. There is one in southern Oregon, called Buncom. You can find a little on the web. Anyhow, I'm fairly lame at making Wikipedia catergories - I barely know how to post images right. But if you ever feel like adding Buncom under Oregon, I'd be glad to send you a photo to use in it. Its just 3 buildings. I think I have one or two images now, but its only a few miles down the road, if I can't locate one and need to take another.Mdvaden 05:54, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the suggestion. Somewhere in the chaos on my desk I've got a list of ghost town articles I want to get around to writing and I'm sure Buncom is on it. Judging by the pictures on the 'net, it looks a little like Jawbone Flats up at Opal Creek Wilderness Area. I seem to get easily distracted around here, but when I write the article I'll be sure to drop you a note. P.S. Sorry I meant to touch base with you about your Bigfoot trap image before it got deleted, but it indeed looks like you got the copyright tag correct this time. Thanks for uploading it--it really adds to the article. Talk to you later, Katr67 06:43, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Tricia Leines

Hi! I remember ages ago you querying my adding Patricia Leines as a notable resident of Medford as she did not have a page (see User talk:PageantUpdater/Archive 4#Patricia Leines if you wish to refresh your memory). Anyway I just noticed that someone else created the article and when I was expanding the article I remembered our discussion so thought I'd pop you a note :) -- PageantUpdater • talk | contribs | esperanza 09:13, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Glencoe High School

Hey there, I notice you had done a little bit of editing on the Glencoe High School page. I cleaned it up a little bit, please let me know what you think of my edits and what you think needs to be done. I went to Glencoe, so I'd like to see its page improve. Pablothegreat85 21:54, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Champoeg cat

Since I know a lot of the folks I changed today are on your watchlist, I mainly left those that were important outside of the participation at the meetings in the main cat. But if their main notablity was just from the meetings, then I put them only in the sub cat. Let me know if you think this makes sense. Aboutmovies 20:00, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] WP:MOS

As I see you keep changing around the sections with a reference to the MOS, I thought I would let you know section order is not covered there, it is in Wikipedia:Guide to layout. And it says the order doesn't matter which is why I normally put the ref section last. It is a personal preference I have since I always put footnotes at the bottom since most people don't bother to check them (even my professors joke with us that nobody reads them), and I think people are more likely to use the external links. But that's my preference, I'm not trying to get you to agree but somepeople (as I think you have expierenced) might not like others changing articles for no reason. Aboutmovies 20:23, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

Well, technically the GTL is part of the MOS so I'm not wrong about that part. It says it's "okay to change the sequence" of the sections, which I take to mean the order they have listed is the preferred way. I bet there's a huge talkpage argument about this archived somewhere. I dunno, most of the articles I see have the external links at the bottom, which seems like a consensus, and I really think it looks better that way and that people are used to looking at the bottom of the page for the external links so it's faster for them to find them that way. This is the kind of thing professional editors get paid to make consistent. Since I can't achieve consistency across the whole of Wikipedia, I figured I'd try for it on our end. If Wikipedia were a real encyclopedia, the guideline wouldn't be so vague and I could have my way, Bwahaha. Anyway, I hope I've only changed the order when I'm also editing other things, 'cos doing stuff like that and nothing else (I'm thinking of people who do nothing but change the spacing around the == Headings == vs. ==Headings==) *is* truly annoying, though luckily so far I think I've managed to annoy only you :). I'll try to look the other way on your articles, but that's how I see it, YMMV. Katr67, Hobgoblin, 21:09, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Airport Geolinks

Good day, recently you added Geolinks to the Alkali Lake State Airport article. I'm not sure if you know this but if you click on the coords in the airport info box it brings up tons of links to maps & such. In fact I believe all of the geolinks added are covered there. Let me know what you think as it may be redundant to add geolinks to the bottom of airport articles. Thanks! -Trashbag 01:59, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

I kinda prefer the geolinks because it saves a step, what with the map links right on the article page. It's probably redundant, but for that one article, I wanted to make it abundantly clear that the airport is in the middle of nowhere. ;) Feel free to take it out if you want, I promise I won't plague the rest of the airport articles with it. BTW, I think the closest actual town is Wagontire, Oregon. Katr67 02:30, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

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[edit] Oregon Airport locations

Good day Katr67, I've noticed that you've been working on critiquing cities that have been called out in airport articles. Be advised that the cities selected as references where selected for a reason. These "cities" - whether a local or a cross road in the middle of no where - are called out in two FAA related documents. The first is FAA A/FD or Airport/Facility Directory. This directory is used by every airman for gathering information on an airport or other facility (such as a helipad).

The second is the FAA Form 5010 - Airport Master Record. When an airport is built and every three years there after it will be inspected and all pertinent information is recorded here. The inspection is performed by the FAA or a designee. (Trivia) In the State of Oregon, this is performed by State Airport Inspector with the Oregon Department of Aviation.

I would advise in keeping with standard in calling out the city addressed by the FAA. By all means feel free to indicate whether that local is incorporated, and if it is not incorporated then what the next closest city is.

Just for an example of this data here is the 5010 data for Lake State Airport. Note how Alkali Lake is called out as the associated city. I hope this help explain the method to my madness. Happy Wiking -Trashbag 02:02, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

Well, I find this baffling because I checked the USGS database, the Portland State University Geographic Names Database, and Oregon Geographic Names, and the places I changed are neither "populated places" nor "locales" (defined as a "battlefield, crossroad, camp, farm, ghost town, landing, railroad siding, ranch, ruins, site, station, windmill") [1] in any of those references. This is why I changed them to reflect the Wikipedia naming convention of Settlement Name, Oregon and put the nearest actual populated place. (Apparently even Wagontire has a population of 2.) These places are instead natural features and should be named simply Foobar Lake or Foobar (Oregon). I see how you'd want the List of Oregon Airports to reflect what the FAA says, so feel free to revert my changes. However, though I'd hate to say the FAA is "wrong" (have they talked to the USGS lately?), for the purposes of Wikipedia, I'd prefer these places didn't have wikilinks that made it seem as if they were settlements. (I was really doubtful about Beaver Marsh too, but that place even had its own post office for a time.) Perhaps, for example, the Alkali Lake (Oregon) article could include a sentence something like "for the purposes of the FAA, a location eight miles north of the lake, referred to as 'Alkali Lake, Oregon' is considered the nearest 'city' to Alkali Lake Airport". Similar to the blurb some of us put on Census-Designated Places--see Neskowin, Oregon. Katr67 06:43, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] OSU Radiation Center Tags

Hey! I removed the quality tag you placed on OSU Radiation Center because I think it was there due to the spelling errors, and it's evolved quite a bit since then. If you could look at the article again and comment with what parts are difficult to understand or make no sense it would be greatly appreciated. I want to get all of the parts that need attention addressed b/c I just despise articles that have tags that never go away. Thanks! theanphibian 06:31, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

It looks much better, thanks. If you don't mind I'll just go ahead and take care of the {{context}} issues, which apply especially to the lead paragraph, which should state clearly what and where the thing is. I think perhaps the article should be moved as well, as I saw suggested somewhere, and there might be some more things that could be wikified. If I see anything else that's unclear, I'll be sure to let you know. Thanks to you too. Katr67 23:19, 7 April 2007 (UTC)