User talk:Karnesky

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[edit] IPA

What advantage is there of equal-topic dis-ambiguation for IPA? Please explain. Georgia guy 02:08, 28 December 2005 (UTC)

Redirects for TLA pages should be to disambiguation pages unless one abbreviation is used much more heavily than others. US is a good example -- most people use it to refer to "United States." IPA is not. If you search the web or usenet, you get plenty of people talking about the beer & not the alphabet. -- Karnesky 02:15, 28 December 2005 (UTC)
Please be more specific. Among the first 500 results Google will reveal for IPA, how many are for the alphabet, how many are for the beer, and how many are for neither?? Georgia guy 02:17, 28 December 2005 (UTC)
For first 100 hits on google groups (Usenet):
  • Alphabet:26
  • Beer:26
  • Neither:48
--Karnesky 02:28, 28 December 2005 (UTC)
This means the alphabet and beer are tied, and together they are more than all the others combined (52 > 48.) Georgia guy 02:29, 28 December 2005 (UTC)
And first 100 hits on google:
  • Alphabet:21
  • Beer:6
  • Other:73 (!!!!)
The alphabet beats the beer by 3-4 times, but both are clobbered by others. The bottom-line is that IPA is an ambiguous three letter acronym that shouldn't be thougtlessly redirected to a single expansion of the acronym. -- Karnesky 02:36, 28 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Dis-ambiguation

Are you going to change lots of links from IPA to International Phonetic Alphabet?? I think this means you should operate a bot. Georgia guy 02:53, 28 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Dr. Divx

Dr. Divx is released under LGPL (http://sourceforge.net/projects/drdivx/) that is OSI approved. May I re-add it to List of open source software packages? Armando82 5 January 2005

Yeah, I guess. You might link directly to the sourceforge project page and/or contact whoever runs [1] w.r.t. their prominent "NO COMMERCIAL USE: This License Agreement grants you the right to use the Software for personal use only in order to evaluate and provide feedback about it to DivX, Inc. Commercial use of the Software or of the work products resulting from its use is not permitted under this License Agreement."
Also: I am going to start culling all entries that don't at least have stubs. So you might write a stub up soon. -- Karnesky 01:10, 5 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Abiword

With regard to your revert of my earlier edit concerning the OS X version, "(although this version shows severe graphical corruption)", I would be grateful if you would respond to the discussion that I have just begun on the Abiword talk page. ThomasHarte 21:33, 15 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Not all CAS provide graphing functionality

Hi Karnesky, I would question the utility of your recent edit, reverting the computer algebra system section on the List of graphing software page to List of free game software (sic). I understand it was your intention to direct users of that section to List of computer algebra systems. However, even that may be a short shot, because not all computer algebra systems have graphing functionality (Mathomatic, for one, does not), so I shall be reverting your edit until further discussion. Best, Samsara contrib talk 01:59, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

I'll reply at Talk:List of graphing software --Karnesky 02:10, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of UML tools

Those links can be deleted. Please reconsider your vote for an article with the external links removed. - Mgm|(talk) 09:46, 6 February 2006 (UTC)

May I ask you to reconsider your AfD vote on List of UML tools? I have stated some arguments to review on Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of UML tools. Thank you for your careful sonsideration. --Adrian Buehlmann 09:53, 6 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] List of UML tools

Per your removal of the link to cetus (a wideley known historic authority on object oriented design) on List of UML tools you might want to consider Wikipedia:Cite sources/example style#Web sites and articles (not from periodicals) which states "Because the Web is dynamic, it is possible that a web page used as a reference may become inactive. Do not remove such inactive references—even inactive, they still record the sources that were used. Make a note of the date that the original link was found to be inactive. If an Internet Archive copy of the page is known, add a link to that." --Adrian Buehlmann 08:26, 11 February 2006 (UTC)

That gives good advice for external pages which were cited by the article. I don't think it is good advice for the External links section of an article. If you used that page as a source, perhaps you should re-section the link. --Karnesky 15:55, 11 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] 1800flowers=

Good catch, thanks. I usually check out business websites on the delete list and if they have no obvious "Investor Relations" link, I assume that they are not publicly traded in the US due to the Sarbanes-Oxley regime of "open access", here the link was hidden way down in the mouse-text. So I changed my vote (yeah, it's not a vote), obviously. Carlossuarez46 01:53, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Your comments in deletion log 18 feb

Ya ne znau ludei kto by ne sovershal oshibok, ya tochno takge ih sovershau i na etom uchus'. nadeus' eto ponyatno. Da, ya avtor program s kotoruh Fomine slizal wneshni vid i prakticheski vse fichi, i posle togo kak on dobavil svoi stranici ya reshil dobavit' svoi - raz eto pozvolaetsya ( podumal ya ). Moi udalali, v tom chisle vse ssylki na razlichnye free tips-and-tricks ( konechno podhodyashie dlya statei ). Perfecto s licemeril skazav cho eto nepravilno no ostavil vse ostalnye linki - ego delo. V obshem poetomu ya vystavil softros i foime na udalenie kak uvidel ob'yavlenie v nachale stanici "If you are familiar with the content of the external links, please help by removing commercial links, in accordance with Wikipedia:External links". Nadeus vy menya ponimaete. Spasibo. --Crea7or 17:28, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] 151.201.48.208

151.201.48.208 is definitely a sock puppet, and is pretty clearly so, however, the template that you put on his page says that they were indefinitely blocked and all, yet the admin haven't done anything about it yet, so another template would be appropriate for now until it's been done. --Atari2600tim (talk • contribs) 02:23, 22 February 2006 (UTC)

I just noticed the template message & am about to change it. Thanks, though. --Karnesky 02:24, 22 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Cap

I will do that for future cats that I make. Thanks for the tip! Where (talk) 01:05, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Deletion

I thought that had closed??? In any event it is a duplicate and wildly NN. Xtra 05:58, 25 February 2006 (UTC) I thought the reason the person created the new article was to avoid the old VfD, which is clearly going to (I thought already had) delete. Xtra 06:01, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Spreadsheets and Word Processors in List of open source software packages

All of the spreadsheets and word processors in List of open source software packages are listed in an office suite in Category:Free office suites. I thus think that these sections are redundant. If you still want to keep them though, I'll give in. Where (talk) 14:39, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for dicussing this. Good points; I agree. Where (talk) 14:51, 25 February 2006 (UTC)


[edit] The term Free vs Freeware is not clear

Lately I believe there is re-organizing of categories of software going on. Most open source software are now re-grouped under the "Free" + "whatever type of software". But is it a good idea to call them 'Free' but not 'Open source'? -- Because to laymen, they may not understand the meaning of Free and will regard it as Freeware.

Case in point, IBM now offers DB2 as free (freeware) database and should we use the term "Free database management system" to categorize DB2 as well? I will suggest use the term open source instead of free to avoid confusion. While "Free software" is a well-recognized term as it has been used a lot in the media, "Free database management system" does not imply anything open source because the term "Free", when used alone, is still ambigous. - Zero0w 10:09, 26 February 2006 (UTC)

I agree with Zero0w above that categorising open source software as free is confusing (and I'm a long-standing Linux fan currently typing this on a Kubuntu machine). When I saw you had recategorised @Mail as Free, I went to their website expecting to find an announcement that it was available without charge.-gadfium 01:06, 27 February 2006 (UTC)
Discussion has been moved to Category_talk:Free_software#Free vs. open source --Karnesky 01:20, 27 February 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for the clarification.-gadfium 01:31, 27 February 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Added links to free software

Hi, you reversed a change I made on the Microscope image processing page. I had added a link to CellProfiler software, a project I was involved in starting - I am not sure why it was removed, although the notation 'rv ad' I think means you might have considered it an ad? If so, it's not commercial software and other than NIH Image/ImageJ (whose link I just added also), it is the only free software for this application. So, I think it's nice to have them both linked. I hope you agree! Have a nice day. 18.4.1.76 20:59, 14 March 2006 (UTC)anniebiogirl

Replying here, since you didn't sign in when you added that. It was nothing against CellProfiler, in particular. It was just the list of software was getting somewhat long & the phrasing seemed to be such to attract spam. I have taken a more agressive cleanup of removing ALL software & suggesting that, if it is to be re-added, it go in a new section (or, preferably, a new cat be setup for all analysis programs). --Karnesky 21:04, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

Hi, good idea. I just added both free programs, CellProfiler and ImageJ to the List_of_open_source_software_packages page. Adding a list to the bottom of the Microscope image processing page would still be a good idea I think, since the open-source page will of course not list the commercial software. But I am not confident enough in my ability to add things to pages and I am not sure if that's exactly what you were suggesting, so perhaps I will leave it up to you to start a list? Thanks, --User:Anniebiogirl Anniebiogirl 21:16, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Old change you made to FOSS on 6 Nov 2005

I was not watching the page. Please see my additions to the talk page.

[edit] Chicago Hot Dogs

Hot dogs may be boiled, for sure, but "chicago hot dogs" are supposed to be steamed below the boiling point. All Chicago hot dogs stands cook dogs using steam heat, well below the boiling point, not boiling water. Can you fix it? Thanks.Yukirat 06:10, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Can you help take a look at the talk page of Xara Xtreme LX and Inkscape?

Karnesky, can you help take a look at the talk pages of Talk:Xara Xtreme LX and Talk:Inkscape? I disagree with Chealer on whether certain external links should be kept on both articles. And I believe we can't come to agreement based on lack of objective "relevance" criteria from the discussion. In many case, it's just calling of "not sufficiently relevant" and no further discussion on that. Can you help take a look? Thanks! --Zero0w 08:12, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] IBM Model M

Karnesky, i would like to know your reasoning behind the repeated removal of the link to my IBM Model M forum? it pertains to the topic 100%, it is valid to the subject. i have tried to email you twice for an explanation yet you refuse to reply. do you have something against me trying to gather fans of these great keyboards together in one place? i will also point out your reason for removal is "not notable". have you bothered to check modelm.org and notice that it has been broken for well over a year and has no contact information?

MasterKat 07:49, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Comment on reversions

You know that you should add comments on reversions, don't you? Just reverting the changes of others who are themselves not violating wikipedia rules is considered vandalism. As I see on this page you are doing this regularly. Please stop doing this and add comments to reversions in the future. Thank you! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by RobertRezabek (talk • contribs).

I do leave comments on a majority of my edits, including those listed on this page. I also left a comment regarding your spamming a non notable link on the 7-zip page. --Karnesky 11:50, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

Yes, it's true, I am the developer of the program in question. If I wanted to conceal this fact, I wouldn't have used my real name, would I? You may not know this, but BetterZip is the only 7-zip program with a graphical user interface comparable to Igor's Windows program for the Mac. So, I do think that it is a relevant link and definitely not spam. Are you some higher instance on Wikipedia that has some sort of democratically assigned power to declare other user's additions as spam? (This is not meant as cynicism, I really just don't know).--RobertRezabek 12:21, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] MSO and OOo Alternatives

Neither article needs this section: It is not Wikipedia's role to provide a list of lesser-known products on a popular product page. The Microsoft Office article already links to articles on both OpenOffice.org (the most popular alternative) and List of office suites (everything else). Oo.o already links to Microsoft Office (the most popular alternative) and NeoOffice (a Macintosh-native port). If there are more native ports, it makes sense to link to them too. But attempting to synchronize a list of office suites across multiple articles is neither necessary nor particularly maintainable. Additionally, I proposed this merge on the MSO article some time ago. The right time to discuss it would have been then, rather than reverting after I finally got around to doing it. -- Steven Fisher 16:14, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

You didn't post a discussion for the merge, which would have been appropriate. The merge tage was up for about a week, which is really the bare minimum to perform the change with no discussion. I think it is worth discussing the point. The section has been in the articles for some time with discussion of how to keep it non-biased, rather than whether or not it belongs. --Karnesky 17:18, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
(My reply removed.) I see you've created a talk section on this. I've moved my points there. Thank you. -- Steven Fisher 18:57, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Microscope image processing - links

Hi, you removed links from "Microscope image processing" which I just added to resources which contain information on digital microsocopy. How to define their (ir-)relevance and justify their validity (or not) for inclusion/exclusion on this page?Pvosta 14:29, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

Many of the links were about microscopy in general, and not image processing in particular. This is particularly a problem for pages that are just lists of links. Furthermore, The number of external links in that article was getting excessive. I think the links which are currently there are pretty good--topical & informative. --Karnesky 14:47, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
Karnesky, thank you for the clarification and helping a newbie.Pvosta 14:57, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Requested moves

You removed a bunch of entries from the Requested moves page here, though I'm not seeing any action on them nor outright rejections. Was this a mistake, or am I missing something? --Calton | Talk 00:01, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

It definitely wasn't intentional. Thanks for catching it. --Karnesky 00:15, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Bot edits

Hi there - Just a friendly note here. I hope you don't mind that I added this edit to User:KarBOT - I was about to block it until I realized that there was some discussion about its operation. See you around! --HappyCamper 22:12, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

Many thanks. --Karnesky 22:29, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] IPA Bot suggestion

I have seen some articles with a pronounciation as

(International Phonetic Alphabet: [pei˨˩˦ tɕɪŋ˥˥]).

You may consider adding this to your bots' automatic disambiguation. --Iamunknown 00:57, 17 September 2006 (UTC)
Note: The Beijing article is not an example of this. I used the IPA pronouncation of Beijing as an example to fill the brackets.

[edit] User Talk Pages

I see that KarBot is editing User Talk Pages. Is this deliberate? Bluap 13:57, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

Yes. There is a desire to expand IPA in all namesspaces. Let me know if specific pages should be excluded. Thanks! --Karnesky 14:23, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] IPA Bot

Considering that IPA already directs to International phonetic alphabet, isn't it sort of pointless to have Karbot fix the links? AEuSoes1 21:53, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

There is a proposal to no longer have that redirect, as "IPA" more often than not refers to something other than the alphabet. Even if the proposal is not accepted, this was not pointlss. In addition to removing the redirect:
  • There were dozens of articles that used IPA to refer to something other than the alphabet
  • Articles were made more consistent through the use of the IPA2 template. This has a link to IPA, eliminates differences in delimiters ('//' vs '[]'), etc.
--Karnesky 22:08, 17 September 2006 (UTC)
All right, sounds good to me. AEuSoes1 23:43, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] User page edits by KarBOT

Please restrict KarBOT to main namespace articles only. Thank you. arj 17:19, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for your concern. KarBOT was authorized for a one time run, which it has already completed, so I don't think you have anything to worry about in the future. There was some use of IPA outside of the main namespace (some of which didn't refer to the alphabet) which I chose to carefully (through manual assistance) cleanup. I am not aware of any mistaken edits outside the main space & your own page seems fine. Please correct me if I'm wrong. Thanks again for your concern. --Karnesky 17:31, 18 September 2006 (UTC)
Please, if you are doing bots in the future, leave talk pages and talk page archives alone, especially in user space. - Jmabel | Talk 04:59, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Editing Error by Karnesky

Please revisit Quidam; I had to revert your edits today because you apparently inadvertently deleted a significant portion of the bottom of the page's content. It seems like you were only trying to do something with the IPA tag though. Please be more careful next time.--Funhistory 04:42, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Helicon Filter notability

Hi, Karnesky. If you google "helicon filter", you'll find that the search yields about 80,000 hits. As such, it seems to meet notability standards implied by the constituency of the list of raster graphics editors, which includes software such as Ability Photopaint (19,100 hits), CodedColor (96,600), ACD Canvas (25,400), and WinImages (17,400). I got this software a few weeks ago, and it certainly matches the quality and comprehensiveness of leading photo-editing software. It's fairly competitive and has received considerable public coverage and exposure (see here, for example). (By the way, I found a photozone poll that indicates that Helicon Filter is the fifth most popular tool for noise and grain reduction [2]). Althepal 21:34, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] ThinkPad

My interpretation is that the category IBM hardware is about machines that IBM built and IBM built IBM ThinkPads. Whatever Lenovo does with ThinkPads will be in some new article; I would not expect this article to be updated for Lenovo products. If we apply the logic "sold, so it's not IBM anymore", then a lot of IBM history disappears -- all the Time Division clocks for example.

Alternately, if you believe the article is not about IBM ThinkPads, then shouldn't we remove the IBM hardware category?

thanks, 69.106.234.9 06:58, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

Please see the talk page for discussion prior to the move. The article already talks about Lenovo (in addition to IBM). The cat is a different discussion. --Karnesky 15:22, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
Yes, Lenovo is already in the article. But it should be done as a transition or the article split. Anyway, none of this is significant, it will all get straightened out in 5 years or so. Thanks again.69.106.234.9 17:38, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Thinkpad criticism

I already expressed my points in the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:ThinkPad#Reverts . Your modifications were biased and you are so radical to any negative messages for Thinkpad. I have to keep it right to keep the integrity of wikipedia. --Leo 02:38, 25 December 2006 (UTC)

I have assumed good faith on your part & expect the same in return (particularly as I've added both positive and negative messages to the article & you have only added negative messages). --Karnesky 03:23, 25 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] academic dbs

Karnesky, can you explain to me the logic for not linking directly to the dtabases from the list, but making the user go first to the page for the specific database, and only then to the link? DGG 03:42, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

This is fairly common practice for list pages--it prevents accusations of being a link directory/WP:NOT a list of links, prevents spam, etc. It also directs people to the article, which will have the most up-to-date link for the subject matter at hand (pages with many external links tend to fall out of date do to poor maintenance if URLs change). Can you explain any objections to this? --Karnesky 03:46, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
I have replied on the article page, to centralize discussion there. Before making this many changes, no matter how justified you thought you are, you should have consulted first--and then we wouldnt need all this. I think perhaps we could be useful allies, in a sense, because I too like to get rid of junk. DGG 02:04, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
I'll continue to follow WP:BOLD & encourage you to do the same. --Karnesky 02:14, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
I have apologized on my user talk page for some language I should not have used even in User space. Not to let that prejudice the discussion, there are many pieces of advice given in the policys etc about cooperative editing--I know I get my way more if I talk first ;) and it does getting people all annoyed and nastier than the occassion warrants..;)DGG 04:16, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
Thanks again for the apology. I'm not so concerned about getting my way. --Karnesky 17:43, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Aiglon

a listing without an article is the way to do it. They're worth a mention, & your preference to not list ones without an article isn't policy. BOLD does not equal revert wars. Main reason I want to list them is to be able to deal with complaints by showing we have flexibility. DGG 01:12, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

I still maintain that we need some objective criteria to keep the lists clean. In the specific case of Aigaion, I suggested that the author rewrite the page, so this should be moot. --Karnesky 02:09, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
Hi, I am working on a rewrite of the article. Will probably put it up in main space on Monday, 15th. Please have a look at it at User:Wietseb/Sandbox. Thanks for any comments, Wietseb 14:35, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Reference Management Software

Hi, Excellent idea of categorizing the reference software managers. One suggestion: Maybe rename the PHP category to web-based or something like that? The systems (well, at least Aigaion :-)) not only use PHP, but also mysql, javascript, ajax, ... Wietseb 08:22, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

My reasoning was that the primary languages is PHP (all have MySQL & javascript and refbase even has a perl command line interface). I also wanted to differentiate these from (i)the tools which are primarily web services (Connotea) and (ii)the tools which could be used with a web interface, but also a traditional desktop interface (some of the perl/python/java apps). Feel free to change it, but I don't think that it should merely be "web-based" due to these two points. --Karnesky 14:15, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] FlexPro

Dear Karnesky,

why are you removing FlexPro from the list of graphing software all the time? FlexPro is a software numerical analysis AND presentation. That's why i've added it to both categories. What do you mean with main category? Some tools are multiple purpose and therefore need to be listed in different categories. Rw6410 14:02, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Mount Hood clr

Hi Karnesky. I notice you reverted my edit to Mount Hood. I didn't feel strongly about my edit and removing it is fine—it was a minor layout tweak that will look funny on wide screen browsers anyway. But why did your edit summary say rv linkspam? —EncMstr 01:26, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for bringing it to my attention. It was an accident--I was trying to revert linkspam from 24.21.148.229. --Karnesky 01:36, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
Ah! That explains it. Thanks. —EncMstr 05:10, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
Hello Karnesky. You asked a question about the avalanche-center.org linkspam in your edit summary [3]. It is a spam campaign, check out this report for more details. A bunch of other domains are involved too. I would also like to take this opportunity to invite you to join Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Spam, it is a lot of fun and people there are very friendly. (Requestion 22:08, 8 March 2007 (UTC))

[edit] Your edit

Thank you for removing the catagory from Helicon Filter. I guess I just didn't know what was ment by "free" there. I'm glad you explained it. Althepal 18:57, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] reference management software

Very nice work--much appreciated. DGG 06:27, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

I second that, great work! Wietseb 08:15, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

1.On 9 March you edited the /List_of_backup_software page, removing the entries for the product SyncBackSE. The log comment was 'rv linkspam' and 'rv. please don't list it twice'

To confirm, was the direct link to our site the reason for the deletion?

It might be good to have the rule for formatting such entries made visible when one is editing the pages. I don't see it referenced (but will adhere to it.)

2. SyncBackSE was listed under both "Small network" and "Single system" sections, as it applies to both. Is that prohibited?

3. There is a "free software" section, but no "freeware" section. We also have free, nonag backup software. If there isn't a particular reason for not having a freeware section, having one would be a service to readers.

TIA Singarick 11:28, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

Is the the correct way of sending a talk message? If not, please delete it. Karnesky: View the Thinkpad discussion page for my response. Thinkweird 18:08, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

Please add it to the bottom of the page & please note that most people subscribe to talk/article pages they've edited, so there's little reason to send this kind of message. --Karnesky 18:10, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
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