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Should a section about new and past members be added? Ray Hawking and Mark Hosking spring to mind.

Also whether or not Drew should have ultimate control should be raised. I am not saying his edits are bad, Actually I agree with them, but a band member probably shouldn't write their own article.

No-one has "ultimate control" on Wikipedia - when you create an article you agree that it can and will be edited. --WikiSlasher 14:12, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Genre?

According to Encyclopaedia Metallum, this band is "Groove Metal". And EM is usually the best source regarding this... http://metal-archives.com/band.php?id=22879 --81.31.233.38 19:50, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

WTF is groove metal??! These guys are prog rock. They're kinda like Tool (but better IMHO. At least you can understand what Kenny is singing about unlike Maynard 'Mumbles' Keenan). This is an awful wiki entry and could be so much better. I look forward to watching it develop (hopefully?). Also looking forward to seeing Karnivool get the worldwide recognition they deserve. They're the best band I've ever heard from Perth. Can't wait for the follow up to Themata.. certainly going to be hard to beat :)

Also - Just so its clear EM makes a couple of mistakes, they said the self titled EP was done in 1998, its done in 1999. They also go on to say that Persona was on Sic, it's also been distributed through MGM. They also list Anthrax and Lamb of God as being "Groove metal" - though both do get other tags as well. Finally, if you check out en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Groove_metal you'll see that post thrash (which EM calls meshuggah) and "groove metal" are supposedly one and the same. I don't feel like Karnivool sounds at all like Meshuggah in any song except Scarabs really - and even there its very different (much less complicated and choppy, helluva lot less technical etc). Thats all. Thanks for your time. --Crashvirus 14:37, 25 December 2006 (UTC)

Although I agree the groove metal thing, I do not quite agree with the pure prog rock label. They are very like Tool, and the Butterfly Effect, but I would also say they were melodic rock. Various reviews and magazines describe them as meloldic rock, and that was my initial reaction too. Watto the jazzman 03:26, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

Kinda hard to give them a good hearing when they've only got the one full-length album though... New stuff (live) sounds very different though. Crashvirus 14:39, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Melodic Rock + Progressive Rock + Awesome! Watto the jazzman 07:33, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

A thought concerning prog metal and melodic rock has recently occured to me: Is it possible that a clear distinction between prog metal and melodic prog metal exists? A few suggestions come to mind:

1. That a) progressive metal mainly uses notes of a minor chord with dominant sevenths and b) melodic progressive metal uses major chords as well as other strange and wonderful chords

2. That a) progressive metal is based mainly on instrumental performance and b) in melodic progressive metal vocals play a big part?

Both of these seem to work if we take Karnivool as a Melodig prog metal band and Tool as an everyday prog metal band.

I don't know if any of this helps to define Karnivool's genre or if it is anywhere close to being correct but it might be. Does anyone agree? Watto the jazzman 09:17, 17 March 2007 (UTC)