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[edit] History of Iran

Kara Koyunlular is a Turkish state. And there's no reason to put History of Iran. History of Iran is irrelevant in here. Therefore I removed it.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 81.215.96.6 (talk • contribs) 21:09, 16 October 2006.

The capital of Kara Koyunlu was Tabriz, which nowadays is an Iranian city. It is perfectly fair to say that Kara Koyunlu is part of Iran's history. Parishan 22:05, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

It doesn't change anything. If you're going to put a History line, it must be History of Turks, instead of History of Iran. They conquered Iran, that doesn't make them Persian. Therefore we have to remove it immediately and put History of Turks. It is not fair to put Persian History Line instead of Turkish History.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 212.175.151.230 (talk • contribs) 07:04, 18 October 2006.

Periods of conquest are also parts of a country's history. You can add a Turkish history template if you want, but the Iranian one should stay. Parishan 03:56, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

Ok. There's no need to argue then. I understand, you see Kara Koyunlu as a part of your history. But we see Kara Koyunlu as a part of our history too. So I added ours without removing yours.

[edit] Spelling

The CORRET spelling of the name is Qara Qoyunlū. The q-sound is an original Turkic sound only lost in modern Anatolian Turkish (which replaces it with a normal /k/ sound), while it is preserved in allmost all other Turkic languages.

Besides the historical facts, the spellings Aq Qoyunlu and Qara Qoyunlu are also used by major scholarly and academic sources, such as the Encyclopaedia Iranica, Encyclopaedia of Islam, and Cambridge History of Iran.

See "Aq Qoyunlu" in Encyclopaedia Iranica (by Prof. Dr. Quiring-Zoche)

Tājik 22:17, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

Encyclopaedia Iranica is not a reliable source. If you look Britannica you would learn the right spelling. If you like you can look at how Turkmes wrote it at The Turkmen Tribal Federation Ak Koyunlu. Or you can look at The Metropolitan Museum of Art. All these resources are valid and famous. No one should think Encyclopaedia Iranica as a reliable source. Because a lot of stuff has been changed in favor of Iran in this Encyclopaedia. My resources are much more known than some Iranic/Islamic unreliable source. Sorry mister, but correct spelling is "AK KOYUNLU" Some other resources: Ackland Art Museum; Iran Heritage Foundation; Middle East Open Encyclopedia; Encyclopædia Britannica Australia; ANKARA ÜNİVERSİTESİ cagataycebi —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 81.215.124.60 (talk • contribs).

Let's keep the discussion together at one place, at Talk:Ak Koyunlu, shall we? Fut.Perf. ☼ 13:49, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

Actually Encyclopedia Iranicaspecializes in middle eastern history. Now the term Aq- Qoyunlu is correct because the letter Q exists in Azerbaijani Turkish. The letter Q (Arabic Qaf) does not exist in Anatolian Turkish because the Greeks did not have such a sound. The Persian and Arabic and Turkish spelling of the dynasty is : آق قویونلو. The letter ق is Q. Anatolian Turkish uses the latin script(since 80 years ago) and does not make this distinction. So Aq-Qoyunlu is the correct spelling. --alidoostzadeh 05:38, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Aq-Qoyunlu and Qara-Qoyunlu are turkmen dynasties which ruled Iran. They are part of Iran's history and they ruled Iran for good duration. Most of their official documents are in Persian and the capital of the Qara-Qoyunlu was in the Iranian city of Tabriz making it a very important part of Iran's history. --alidoostzadeh 08:22, 26 November 2006 (UTC)