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[edit] Massive re-wording needed

The "When will Kalki(Nitin) come?" section feels like it's been taken word-for-word out of an ISKCON (Hare Krishna) text on the subject. I suspect that it might be plagiarized. That section needs to be heavily reworded and redone to conform to NPOV and to reflect the prophecy of Kalki as seen by all Hindus, not just ISKCON.

Also, what is with that stuff at the end about Kalki already being alive today? The way it is written, it feels like a prophecy itself, not a Wikipedia article about a prophecy. --141.156.221.9 21:27, 12 Jun 2005 (UTC)

It depends on the Hindu sect, but some believe Kalki was born as Ayya Vaikundar in 1809 CE. "This" Kalki was born from a mixture of a stillborn baby, the soul of the god Sampooranathevan, and the "ultimate Spirit" of Vishnu. There is even a tale which he clinses the earth of witches and demons (if I remember correctly). (!Mi luchador nombre es amoladora de la carne y traigo el dolor! 03:42, 7 July 2006 (UTC))
I think it would be good if someone knowledgable can separate the info from the Hindu and Buddhist sides, as they vary quite a bit. Apparently, even within the various Hindu traditions there are considerable differences... I could try to help with the Buddhist view, but don't know anything about the Hindu perspective. rudy 11:06, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] POV

I dislike references to Kalki as a myth as it presupposes the falsehood of Hindu beliefs. Speaking of Jesus as mythical would be offensive to Christians, and speaking of the Second Coming of the Messiah during the Apocalypse as myth is similarly politically incorrect. I have changed the use of the word myth.

The extreme editorializing should be toned down a bit on this page. Pjrich 07:40, 3 Dec 2004 (UTC)
I hope this problem is signifigantly less severe at the present time?
I think you're overthinking the meaning of the word "myth" - the very first definition Dictionary.com gave me is, "A traditional, typically ancient story dealing with supernatural beings, ancestors, or heroes that serves as a fundamental type in the worldview of a people, as by explaining aspects of the natural world or delineating the psychology, customs, or ideals of society." This does not involve falsity, but an archetype, namely of supernatural origin. Certainly an avatar of a god counts as supernatural, right? - MasterXiam 19:47, 18 September 2005 (UTC)

Religion ( Arya Vaidik Dharma ) Time calculation , calendar’s, and kings in present Kali yuga


In the running Christan calendar or world wide used calendar year of 2005 A.D the following is the position , status of other Indian dating years


a) Shalivahan calendar dating ( Used in Maharashtra State ) :- Year 1927 b) Vikram Savant calendar ( Used in north India ) :- year 2061-62 c) Hijaree ( The Islam religion calendar dating ) :- year 1426-27 d) Parshi or Parsi calendar dating( Zorashtrian religion calendar ) : Year 1374-75 e) Shiv shaka or King Shivaji’s calendar dating :- 331-32 f) Mahaveer calendar Savant ( Jain religion calendar ) :- year 2531-32 g) Kaliyuga calendar dating :- year 5107

According to Hindu religion there are four yuga’s

1) Satya yuga ( Kruta yuga ):- 17,28,000 Human year’s ( Has been passed ) 2) Treta yuga :- 12,96,000 Human year’s ( Has been passed ) 3)Dwapar yuga :- 8,64,000 Human year’s ( Has been passed ) 4) Kali yuga :- 4,32,000 Human year’s ( 5,106 years have been passed and 4,26,894 year’s to go )

Kali yuga started in 3,102 B.C. Today’s Year of Kali yuga in 2,005 A.D is 5,107

Six Shakakarte king in present Kaliyuga

This Kaliyuga is now running . It is 4,32,000 human years long. From this Kaliyuga 5,106 years have been passed untill the present year 2005 and 4,26,894 years are to go in future age .

Timeline of Kaliyuga calendar dating :-

1) Yudhishthir ( Dharmaraj ):- Ruled in Indraprastha (Capital city Delhi of India ) and started his own calendar dating in the year 3,102 B.C ( Before Jesus Christ or Christian or current Roman calendar dating ). He was the elder brother of Pandav of the great Indian war of Mahabharat . His dating continued for 3,044 years until king Vikrama , the second Shakkarta king broke it and started his own dating or the new Shaka .

2) King Vikrama :- Ruled in Ujjain city ( Present day Ujjain city in Madhyapradesh state of India ) in the year 57 B.C . He started his own calendar dating by breaking the old Yudhishthir Shaka . But his dating was continued only for 135 year’s as the third Shakakarta king King Shalivahan at Paithan city in Maharashtra state near by Aurangabad city came in power and broke the running Vikrama Shaka . Allthough in north India still the Vikrama Shaka is running , it is said that some kind of understanding or truce was fixed up between these two grate kings to continue both the calendar in their respective areas or nations .

3) King Shalivahan :- Ruled in the old city Paithan of Maharashtra state in the year 78 A.D. , that is after 78 years later Jesus Christ or the Christian dating started . The Maratha cast has a clan after this grate king . This king is mentioned in old Christian books as it is written that King Shalivahan had meet the founder of Christian religion ,The Jesus Christe himself on a tripe to grate Himalaya mountains. His Shaka will continue for 18,000 years that is for Eighteen thousand years. That comes to in the year 18,078 this Shalivahan Shaka will be broken , discontinued by the next coming Shakakarta king and his name is King Vijayabhinandan , who will happened on the banks of the river of Vaitarna in Thane district of near Bombay city or Mumbai city of Maharashtra state . Need not to say that this grate king Shalivahan was from Maratha cast. Any rational person can come to this conclusion. Historical evidence had it that the Satvahan alias Shalivahan ruled at Paithan city of Maharashtra in the time 30 B.C. TO 230 A.D.

4) King Vijayabhinandan ( coming ) :- This great king will happen on the banks of river Vaitarna probabely in Thane district of Maharashtra state . This place is near the Bombay alias Mumbai city . And the river Vaitarna folws in Thane district of Maharashtra state . He will break the King Shalivahan Shaka and start his own Shaka or the calendar dating . This is a kind or prophecy of Hindu religion . This king Vijayabhinandan will happen in year 18,078 A.D or after Jesus Christ . His Shaka will run , continue for 10,000 years . That does mean that in the year 28,078 A.D after Jesus Christ his Shaka or dating will be broken , discontinued by the next Shakakarta king Nagarjuna who will happen in the Bangal state of India. As this king Vijayabhinandan is to happen in the region of Maharshtra it is certain that he will be from Maratha cast.

5) King Nagarjun ( Coming ) :- He will be the fifth grate Shkakarta king of Kaliyuga. He will happen, appear in Bangal state of India in the year 28078 A.D . He will terminate the shaka or calendar of Vijayabhinandan and start his own calendar or shaka and that will continue for 4,00,000 years afterward.This Nagarjuna has the most long running calendar in Kaliyuga Shaka dating.

6) King Kalki ( coming ) :- He is the last and final shakakarta king of the Kaliyuga . As Hinu religion has predicted that there are ten Avatar of lord Vishnu , this king Kalki is the tenth and final avatar of that series . He is the final avatara who will end the present Kaliyuga and again start the cycle if yuga that is the Satya yuga will be started after this grand termination .Hindu religion has prediction that he will come on a white horse . This Kalki avatar will happen , appear in the region of Kolhapur of Maharashtra state in India . He will end the then running shaka of Nagarjuna and start his own shaka or dating or calendar in the year 4,28,078 A.D. His calendar or shaka will run for 821 years. Then perhaps the final day of judgement will come mentioned in christain religion. As This king is to happen in the state of Maharashtra it is obviously certain that he will be from Maratha cast.

[edit] Amma & Kalki

In southern India, near Chennai (Madras) there is an Ashram called Golden City. Situated in Andhra Pradesh, India. The couple is giving freely enlightment and healing energy called [[Deeksha]. Many people in the surroundings and around the world in the first years of this century experienced oneness consiousness through this movment.

I removed the above, since I couldn't understand it. Help, please? Example (talk • contribs) 12:58, 28 Dec 2004 (UTC)

What could not be understood ? There is a Divine Couple in Golden City, near Chennai in South India called Sri Amma and Sri Bhagavan. Sri Bhagavan is adored as Kalki by thousands of people, since He inaugurated the Golden Age or SatyaYuga, in 2003 by giving Enlightenment or Oneness to mankind. Ordinary folk as a result now actually LIVE and experience the distilled essence of the Vedas - 'Tat Twam Asi' or 'I am That'. As more people are being enlightened everyday, a critical mass will be reached by 2012, when in one single tsunami-like wave all of humanity will experience Enlightenment as their reality. Whatever stories you may hear about the Puranas or sacred books about what Kalki should do, where he should be born etc, Sri Bhagavan here will retain the label 'Kalki', since he is capable of transmitting permanent and irreversible Enlightenment to Man. Hence I suggest, you should put this info back on the main section. Reference websites are http://www.onenessuniversity.org, http://www.experiencefestival.org

I was under the impression that Kalki was to be a young man, not an old man. - MasterXiam 19:52, 18 September 2005 (UTC)
I'm sorry to whomever for deleting you Kali Yuga "timeline", however, it already appears (in duplicate) towards the top of the discussion page. (!Mi luchador nombre es amoladora de la carne y traigo el dolor!)

[edit] Gandhi as Kalki?

Are there any sources for this? Also, if there are, is the thinking mainstream enough to have it's own section here? I will change shortly unless I hear otherwise.--Pranathi 21:11, 28 December 2005 (UTC)

...That sounds like news to me. I do think Gandhi was great, but I seriously doubt he was Kalki. And I've never heard that before, so... no, I don't think it goes here. MasterXiam 09:14, 10 January 2006 (UTC)
This "information" was originally added by someone at IP 24.12.174.42 (Comcast Cable Communications ILLINOIS-14). The ONLY "source" for this idea seems to have been speculation made at the "Sourceryforge.org" wiki's article on "The Fourth Horseman Theory", which had a link to it, "Averted apocalypse: Hitler, Stalin, Mao and Gandhi/Kalki", added by the same IP. The creator of THAT article (originally at "The Four Horsemen Theory") was also at IP 24.12.174.42. This apparently casual and perhaps somewhat facetious speculation hardly seems to have been a reliable source for notable encyclopedic information. ~ Xanthus 10:03, 10 January 2006 (UTC)
This so-called "speculation" was discussed by my "Indian Civilization" professor during our talks about Vishnu's many avatars several years ago. I am not the original poster of these claims, however, I'm sure my college professor knows what she is talking about! (!Mi luchador nombre es amoladora de la carne y traigo el dolor! 03:49, 7 July 2006 (UTC))

[edit] is Muhammad the Kalki?

One Muslim preacher has claimed that Muhammad is thought of as being the Kalki avatar. This lacks credence. Firstly, Kalki avatar refers to the incarnation of Lord Vishnu who is revered as the Supreme God by many Hindus, while Muhammad is merely a messenger of God. Hindus do not have any objection if muslims want to worship Muhammad as an incarnation of Vishnu. Secondly, there is no mention of Muhammad in any of the Hindu sacred scriptures. Bogus claims have arosen either from convenient translations or by usage of unreliable sources.

This looks very biased, instead of just stating that "there is no mention of Muhammad in any of the Hindu sacred scriptures", you could provide evidence as to why you are saying this. And I also read that a Hindu also claimed this, so "One Muslim preacher" isn't very accurate.

Ismaali Khoja - most are Gujaratis - believe that age of Kali will be ruled from Mecca. Please note that personality of Kali is different than the Vishnu Avatar Kalki which will come 427,000 years from now. (annonymous)

[edit] Stop posting duplicate info!!!

I don't know who it is, but someone keeps on posting the same Kali Yuga timeline over and over again. Each post is huge, taking up valuable space from other wikipedians who actually wish to contribute something to the Kalki article. I have deleted two of the postings, but left one of them intact towards the top of the page. Whoever is doing this, PLEASE STOP!!!(!Mi luchador nombre es amoladora de la carne y traigo el dolor! 18:57, 5 August 2006 (UTC))

[edit] Correlation between Kalki Avatar and Prophet of Islam

I believe this info should stay on the page ONLY if its sources are cited and it is rewritten with NPOV. I also think it should be shortened. It just sounds like the original poster is trying his/her best to "force-feed" their own personal beliefs on wikipedia. All areas involving Kalki should be explored, but none should be favored over another (except for India, which is its point of origin).

  • "Pundit Vedaprakash Upadhaiand the eight other eminent pundits" -- This person needs to be further explained.
  • "In religious books of Hindus, it is mentioned that the staple food of Kalki Avatar would be dates and olives and he would be the most honest and truthful person in the region. Without any doubt the Prophet Muhammad (SAW) is acclaimed to possess these qualities." -- Does this not sound like glorification to anyone?
  • "Pundit Vedaprakash Upadhai here draws the attention of Hindus that the real days of horses and swords have gone and the present time is of guns and missiles. So it would be foolish on the part of those who still expect Kalki Avatar, who should be an excellent rider and swordsman to come." -- I would hate my beliefs to be called "foolish"! This needs a workover as well.

These are just a few examples of what needs to be worked on.(!Mi luchador nombre es amoladora de la carne y traigo el dolor! 18:13, 16 August 2006 (UTC))

[edit] Deleted material from main article

I deleted the following from the page because it was unreferenced. "Interpretations” have no place in the article unless they come from a reliable source. The section in question has been tagged as needing references since August of 2006 and I can remember the same material being in the article long before I placed the tag:

The Kalki within

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Drawing on symbolic and metaphoric interpretations of the Buddhist Kalachakra, Shambhala, and Bodhisattva traditions at least as much as the Hindu prophecies, interpretations of the Kalki legends in ways that do not necessarily apply the designation "Kalki" uniquely to any particular person have arisen. In such interpretations "Kalki" is seen primarily as an archetypal symbol of what can be manifest in any person, whether man, woman, or child. [citation needed]

It is a designation of spiritual repose and vigor, a "beautiful life essence", impelling people to follow diverse and harmonious paths of virtue, rather than needlessly harsh and destructive paths of bigotry and narrow minded presumptions. To those who embrace this view the term Kalki can refer to an attitude or quality of awareness that will be manifest in many enlightened people, who perceive beyond Maya (the appearances of Space and Time) and into Eternity in ways that are both rational and mystical in nature. A level of Awareness where people become destroyers of the uncharitable ways of bigotry within themselves which would otherwise lead them to unjustly oppress others, and limit themselves.

In such interpretations everyone who is enlightened enough to follow the ways of ultimate honesty and ultimate love can be declared to be an honorable manifestation of Vishnu the preserver of Life, and Kalki the Destroyer of Foulness … but no one person can be declared to be the ultimate manifestation…or the ultimate teacher for all people. There are many ways to point out some of the worst confusions that afflict human minds and souls, and for anyone to think that there is only one greatest and most perfect way for all, (which is of course their own), and that all others must be scorned, shunned, denigrated and vilified is itself one of the worst and most dangerous confusions that afflict many who are spiritually weak, ignorant, cowardly and vain.

It is emphasized that much is required in many spiritual paths, but the most important of all requirements are the will to speak the truth, and the capacity to love any who perceive the truth and become devoted to it, no matter how troublesome, misguided, dishonest and dangerous they may initially be. One can not force change upon others, but one can give them the information and opportunity by which they can come to desire beneficial change themselves.

Each person who is wisely charitable, "riding the white horses" of fate's flow, and wielding the deceit destroying "sword" of honesty can become a "Kalki" — a destroyer of such foulness as could dwell within themselves first and foremost, that they may more ably assist others in destroying the capacities for evil within themselves.[citation needed]

Each person is considered a potential spiritual ruler of their own manifest span of mortal life, a universe to themselves connected to all others by bonds of awareness and sympathy; a person of utmost integrity, perceiving many connections between all people, all events, all ideas and all souls, and therefore affirming that respect for the individual integrity of all other mortals as an imperative of their own. The Kali Yuga can end within them, no matter how long it may persist in others, and a Satya Yuga of wisdom begins within their life, enabling them to help others to find their own unique paths towards enlightenment, and into their own ranges of contentment.[citation needed]

(Ghostexorcist 22:35, 21 December 2006 (UTC))

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