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Contents 1 Possible additions 2 Birth and death years 3 The Image 4 Possible problem

[edit] Possible additions

• Amarkantak
• The followers of Kabir are called Kabir panthi.
• Kabir panthi and organisations across the world. See religions among Fiji population.

Npindia 15:38, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

Kabir is claimed to be Sufi and Hindu. He can't be both. Let's take his word on the issue: He's Neither. --LordSuryaofShropshire 18:31, Apr 1, 2004 (UTC)

I added a few hopefully useful facts about Kabir, with a comment on his current popularity (M.K.)

Please stop implying that Kabir borrowed ideas from Sufi Muslims. Hinduism and raja yoga pre-date Islam by many, many years. Its far more likely that Kabir's ideas arose from Hindu ideals. --Palwan 18:34, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

What's "more likely" isn't always true. The fact that "Hinduism and raja yoga pre-date Islam by many, many years" does not mean that Islam could not have influenced Kabir. Although the dates for his life are uncertain, he did live during a period that came several hundred years after Islam came to South Asia. Kabir himself would probably scoff that his ideals arose from Hindu ideals, just as he is likely to scoff at the suggestion that his ideals are Islamic! Sarayuparin 21:16, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Birth and death years

The article currently says Kabir was born in 1398 and died in 1518, which means that he lived to be 120 years old. Only two other people in recorded history have been shown to have lived that long, so if this is true, then it needs to be sourced (by a RELIABLE source, not just any old source). --Hnsampat 20:21, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] The Image

Does anyone else find the image on this page to be utterly ridiculous? Why in the world is that included? Algabal 01:52, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

I don't like it either. Ironically, too reverential for Kabir. There is an image at [1] that might be public domain. It might be worthwhile to contact the professor who manages that site to check on permissions and copyright data for the image. Sarayuparin 21:38, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

I don't see what's wrong with it, Jesus has some pretty reverent images as well. Zazaban 21:48, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Possible problem

Regarding the Robert Bly "versions," and "fabulous" comment, I came across a claim that Bly plagiarizes the R. Tagore translation of 1915: www.suite101.com/reference/underhill

Robert Bly's Folly- The Ward Churchill of poetry: Robert Bly's so-called translations amount to little more than plagiarism of the authentic translators' works. This article focuses on Bly's misrepresentation of Kabir through Bly's revisions of the far superior translations of Rabindranath Tagore and Evelyn Underhill.

I edited out the "fabulous" comment as inappropriate, but I'll try to look into this before any further editing. N.B. Miller 03:03, 23 March 2007 (UTC)