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[edit] Kickboxing Rank
About the kickboxing rank at the latter half of the page, where is the source? --sin-man 09:14, 10 March 2006 (UTC)
- On the last external link in their list. It's called Central Kickboxing Organization. There you can select a "Rankings" tag on the upper left corner. It is a very complex scoring system, which counts on every result of every fight. Lajbi 09:25, 10 March 2006 (UTC)
[edit] NPOV
This doesn't seem very neutral to me.
I agree with the previous comment that the comment about bias is lacking reference and objective analysis (neutrality). While watching the fight between Kazushi Sakuraba and Smirnovas, I began to get the impression that the referee was indeed biased towards Sakuraba, however, when Sakuraba started answering with his own punches, he hit Smirnovas over and over, and Smirnovas turned his back to Sakuraba and was clearly doing a "fish dance". This referee might have been lacking in sense to protect the figthers better (Sakuraba was diagnosed with vertbrobasilar insufficiency presumably exacerbated by head shots), but he was actually consistent in allowing both fighters to beat each other senseless (I thought the referee should have stopped the fight when Sakuraba was taking a beating but also when Smirnovas was taking a severe beating. K1 Heros is relatively new and the referees are from a standup fighting only background (where fighters take more of a brutal beating), and so the referees seeming disregard for the fighter's safety, as compared to Ultimate Fighting Championships or Pride Fighting Championships could be attributed to lack of experience. No where did I see evidence for race-based favoritism. Similar controversies were frequently brought up about Kazushi Sakuraba when he won decision fights in Pride against the famous Gracie family Brazilian Jiu Jitsu fighters, but indeed the race-biased comments came from fight critics who doubted that Kazushi Sakuraba, a Japanese fighter, could have actually won without the support of allegedly racist or biased referees. The controversy was over whether or not the referee stopped the match between Royler Gracie (an ADCC grappling champion) and Kazushi Sakuraba when Sakuraba had Gracie in a submission move. Royler Gracie showed he could not escape, and Sakuraba was reluctant to break Royler Gracie's arm, yet Royler would not tap. The referee finally stopped the match to protect Royler. Many Sakuraba critics and Pride fighting critics at this point suggested that Japanese organizations and Japanese referees in general were biased for the Japanese. The Gracie family, in order to protect their family name, sent Royce Gracie to fight Sakuraba under special 'Gracie' rules (hardly ever granted to anyone). This fight was ended when it became clear that Royce was outclassed by Sakuraba (his corner threw in the towel). Still, comments on internet forums, articles on Sherdog, and on other notable martial arts pages suggested Sakuraba's illigitimacy because of Japanese favoritism. The controversy was finally quelled when Sakuraba beat Renzo Gracie, another highly regarded Brazilian Jiu Jitsu fighter. This time, Sakuraba did not hold back in his submission (presumably because people questioned his actual submission threats) by completely dislocating Renzo Gracie's arm.
Shardakar's analyses is certainly not objective (use of loaded language). It completely ignores the fact that Smirnovas also took too heavy of a beating (equal disregard by the referee), and concludes one of many different possibilities with little evidence. Could it not be just as likely that K1 Hero referees are inexperienced, or that the referee was allowing the fight to continue as long as possible because of instructions to allow the fight to be as entertaining as possible? Did the referee 'give' Sakuraba a win and a chance by allowing him to get beat further? Smirnovas clearly lacked the power to knock Sakuraba out cold, and he also lacked the skill to end the fight in a submission. Furthermore, he lacked stamina, which is why Sakuraba was able to make a comeback. To imply that the referee somehow gave Sakuraba a win because of race ignores Sakuraba's sudden improvement in striking ability training with world-class strikers Maricio Rua, Wanderlei Silva, and Rudimar Fedrigo; and also Sakuraba's commendable heart. If there ever is bias in Pride and K1, it is more likely that there is bias towards highly marketable fighters (special rules for Gracies or for K1 fighters transitioning to Pride, 'give-me' fights for champions, booking fights for unqualified but popular fighters, etc.) It is also becoming evident through Sakuraba's damage, that fights should be stopped much earlier than they were in this fight, but as a pioneer, Sakuraba had to take the damage unfortunately for the world of mixed martial arts to realize this.
"This controversy has recently appeared again at K-1 Heroes 6 in a match pitting Kazushi Sakuraba, the man that had been promoted as the face of the division and Lithuanian fighter Kestutis Smirnovas. Smirnovas, recovering from a front kick, caught Sakuraba coming in and knocking him to the ground senseless. Smirnovas, over the course of two minutes, pummelled Sakuraba with over 20 unprotected and unanswered punches, but the referee refused to stop the fight, only stepping in to reposition the fighters. Smirnovas, after three and a half minutes of relentless punching, began to slow down. This gave Sakuraba the opportunity to recover and knock down Smirnovas and get a submission win on him. K-1 promoter, Akira Maeda called from ringside for the fight to be stopped during the time Smirnovas was striking Sakuraba and along with PRIDE fighter Hidehiko Yoshida, condemned the actions of the referee." Shardakar 02:27, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Criticism
I think the following unfairly portrays the K-1 tournaments "This is a process that is somewhat similar to the process of choosing a Mr. or Miss Universe representant" The fighters who win their national tournaments have done so by facing their compatriots in the ring and winning through to represent their countries. It's not similar to a beauty pagent at all. Lisiate 23:29, 4 Nov 2004 (UTC)
[edit] Forbidden moves
This section needs cleanup. Patiwat 11:58, 17 May 2006 (UTC)
- I've rewritten this section and renamed it "Fouls". Hopefully it'll be easier to understand. JRHorse 04:52, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Is K-1 a sport or a tournament?
I always thought K-1 is the name of tournament, but this article says it's a sport. Can 'K-1' refer to the sport and the tournament? Does the sport exist outside of the tournament?S Sepp 19:00, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
- K-1 is the name of the tournament that embraces all types of martial arts (except close ground combat ones), and with the past 10 years K-1 also refers to the techniques involved. Nowdays there are even directly K-1 trained fighters (see Bob Sapp who wasn't even a fightsportsman) so it is an abstraction towards becoming a separate category. Lajbi Holla @ meWho's the boss? 19:15, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
I am agree with this. K1 is first of all organization, company witch iowner is Mr. Ishi and witch organize tournaments in kickboxing and from now also in ultimate fight.
[edit] History Cleanup
I started the cleanup of the history section (long overdue). It was filled with a lot of opinion and bad English. I got as far as 2002. Will do the rest later. Neoyamaneko
- Please also supply a concise digest of the history page (can be done by anyone) for the history section on this page. There should be a bit of history on this page as well. hateless 22:56, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
