Talk:Justin Cook

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[edit] Notabililty

It is very easy to demonstrate notability, simply make reference to some in-depth articles about the subject to prove that he has been talked about by commentators or academics. It is not enough simply to be a minor player in the big wide world of film, someone outside WP must recognise his significance enough to warrant articles or discussion about him. Don't take the even easier route and just delete the tag - do him the credit of demonstrating the point, see Wikipedia:Notability: "A topic is notable if it has been the subject of multiple, non-trivial published works from sources that are reliable and independent of the subject itself and of each other. Notable is defined as 'worthy of being noted' or 'attracting notice'. It is not synonymous with 'fame' or 'importance'. It is not measured by Wikipedia editors' own subjective judgements. Notability is generally permanent." Abtract 08:19, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

Heh, I understand the importance of notability but I'm a bit surprised you don't think the credits listed on the article are enough. The article should be expanded and the notability should be better stated, but we do know from those credits that he is notable. -- Ned Scott 05:56, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

No doubt he does lots of good stuff but do others think him sufficiently notable that they have written "multiple, non-trivial published works" in "sources that are reliable and independent of the subject"? Presumably not or they would be quoted in the article. Look, this is not a big deal but there is so much in WP that has no references and is about subjects that are of no interest to anyone but the originator, that, when I come across a double dose like this, I draw attention to it  :) Abtract 09:20, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

Notability is a guideline, something to help us to say on the path of good article topics, not some policy like WP:V where we have to prove notability from multiple sources that are independent. You really have no place to demand this, and you are really missing the point of our notability guidelines. -- Ned Scott 20:50, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

Perhaps you could explain which point I am missing Abtract 00:21, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

We set notability criteria to prevent Wikipedia from including things that really are of no significant value as far as information goes. We'd have so many articles that it would pretty much be.. like the web over-all, and impossible to maintain. In addition it also helps discourage vanity articles, articles with likely wouldn't have proper sources, and helping to keep things verifiable. Notability should be stated in some form in an article, but it doesn't have to be proven (in the same way that sources are) to the reader. -- Ned Scott 01:59, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

I really don't see the problem ... if this guy is so notable then it must be simplicity itself to demonstrate it by making reference to some articles published by creditable sources. He obviously works well at his chosen profession but that alone doesn't make him notable. Surely someone can come up with even one article written about this supposedly notable person?  :) Abtract 02:33, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

You don't understand, it is not required that someone declare someone notable or not. That is simply one way we might determine notability, but there are other ways as well. This voice and staff credits do just that. -- Ned Scott 02:36, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

There are appropriate references to Justin Cook's notability now, so would it be alright to remove the tag? --EmperorBrandon 19:09, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

A pleasure doing business with you all :) Abtract