Talk:June Tabor

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The article states that the Oysterband is Irish. It isn't. The 'Oysters' are an English band.

The chronology is a mess. I'll do what I can to clean it up, but can someone with better knowledge of Tabor than mine please help out to flesh things out? --Dgilman 13:55, 15 August 2006 (UTC)


I have added some material, but honestly I can's see anything wrong with the chronology - Do you want to have it in reverse order? Ogg 18:24, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

June Tabor definitely does not play any instrument, so I have removed her from the category "English Folk Musicians". Ogg 11:31, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

Singers are musicians. Mak (talk) 22:46, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
From the philosophican and linguistic point of view, if "Singers are Musicians", then "Musicians are singers" - the grammar is reflexive. How many people consider the violinist Yehudi Menuhin to be a singer? Patent nonsense. Wikipedia is making a mockery of itself if it takes that point of view. Ogg 12:01, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
Check out our definition of musician: Vocalists are included.--Oneiros 12:55, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
Ogg - squares are rectangles, but not all rectangles are squares. It works out fine. Singers are a subset of the larger group "musicians", which includes violinists and singers. Mak (talk) 13:06, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Neither useful nor consistent

I have been looking through wikipedia to find out how many singers are classified as "musicians". From among the ones who do not play an instrument, roughly two-thirds are not classified as musicians. For example, none of these are classed as musicians:

  • Kate Bush
  • Barbara Dixon
  • Dolores Keane
  • Maria Callas
  • Anne Briggs
  • Cecilia Bartoli
  • Jose Carreras
  • Montserrat Caballe
  • Renee Fleming
  • Petula Clark
  • Lulu (singer)
  • Enrico Caruso
  • Maddy Prior
  • Dietrich Fischer-Dieskau
  • Tito Gobbi
  • Peggy Seeger
  • Joan Sutherland

All of them have several other categories. It seems to me, and obviously to many others (who have avoided that classification) that calling them "musicians" is not helpful. What's wrong with the categories "Folk Singers" or "English female singers" or "soprano"? That tells you all you need to know, unless they have other special characteristics. "Musician" is definitely guilding the lily, or over-egging the cake.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Ogg (talk • contribs) 2006-10-11T13:25:06.

If there were a Category:English folk singers I would agree with you, it's called not putting in super-categories, but there is no such category, meaning "English folk musicians" is the most specific category in that area. Mak (talk) 21:11, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] January June

Hang on, "Janury June" cannot be both a serious part or the article and also "trivia". It should be one or the other and not both. Articles shouldn't repeat themselves. I suggest removing it from trivia to improve the article. Any disagreements? Ogg 11:30, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

Nobody has responded, so I have removed the duplication of the "January June" sentence. Ogg 18:49, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

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