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[edit] AC/DC

Thanks for the help and support. Atlantis Hawk 10:45, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Orphaned fair use image (Image:Great Expectations.jpg)

Thanks for uploading Image:Great Expectations.jpg. I notice the 'image' page currently specifies that the image is unlicensed for use on Wikipedia and may only be used on Wikipedia under a claim of fair use. However, the image is currently orphaned, meaning that it is not used in any articles on Wikipedia. If the image was previously in an article, please go to the article and see why it was removed. You may add it back if you think that that will be useful. However, please note that images for which a replacement could be created are not acceptable under fair use (see our fair use policy).

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Hi, I recently replaced your uploaded cover image with an image of the original cover of the book per User:Chick Bowen/Bad book covers. A recent cover like yours technically would not be acceptable under the "replaceable" clause of our fair use policy, since the books' original covers, title pages, etc. would be free. Thanks, and I was just letting you know that I did this. --QueenStupid 07:02, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Philanthropist

I've added the "{{prod}}" template to the article Philanthropist, suggesting that it be deleted according to the proposed deletion process. All contributions are appreciated, but I don't believe it satisfies Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, and I've explained why in the deletion notice (see also "What Wikipedia is not" and Wikipedia's deletion policy). Please either work to improve the article if the topic is worthy of inclusion in Wikipedia, or, if you disagree with the notice, discuss the issues at Talk:Philanthropist. You may remove the deletion notice, and the article will not be deleted, but note that it may still be sent to Articles for Deletion, where it may be deleted if consensus to delete is reached, or if it matches any of the speedy deletion criteria. — Sebastian (talk) 03:46, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] RE. Hey

Hey Orane, I replied at my talk page, but I just now had a thought. Could you check out The Boondock Saints and give it a quick grammar and style check for me? I've been trying to make this article featured and if you could help me with the grammar check it would really help! Thanks in advance. :D KOS | talk 12:30, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

Great article. I'm impressed. I gave it a minor copy edit like you asked, though there wasn't much to do, given that it was well-written. I replaced "block quote" with "cquote." Not everyone loves how the latter looks, so feel free to change it if you like. There is, however, one sentence that I find confusing: "After a limited theatrical release, the film was in only five theaters for one week, and poor reviews; the movie proved divisive among some viewers." Do you think you could clarify, please? Thanks. Good luck with the article (I'll vote as soon as the sentence is clarified :P). Orane (talk • cont.) 03:34, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
Thanks Orane, I appreciate it! Sure I can clarify that sentence for you: "After a limited theatrical release, the film was in only five theaters for one week" (that is easy :P), and poor reviews;(the film received poor reviews while it was in theaters) the movie proved divisive among some viewers." (It proved divisive because it did receive a few positive reviews and because a lot of fans did like the film while a lot did not.) Hope that helps, again thanks. KOS | talk 10:57, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Thank you concern

Thanks for your work on the Welcome Committee so long ago (greeting me). While perusing deeper into Wikipedia today, I noticed this page. Later, I checked to see how you were doing. It appears the "thanks" creator would prefer "thanks" to not be kept as awards, but to fall into the User Talk archives. Have a good day. JeremyBicha 05:20, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Picture on Celine Dion main page

Hi Orane, is there a chance that you could change the main picture on Celine Dion page? I think the present pic isn't good choice because:

  • It doesn't show Celine, we can barely see her
  • It's a picture of a live performance that's not imoprtant at all in Dion's music career
  • Celine sang during that performance 3 songs: "I'm Alive", "A New Day Has Come" & "God Bless America" and I see some people are constantly changing the text under the picture because of that

What would you say for this picture: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Cd6.jpg

Max24 03:12, 18 December 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Image:Saint Ann.gif

Thanks for uploading Image:Saint Ann.gif. I notice the 'image' page specifies that the image is being used under fair use, but its use in Wikipedia articles fails our first fair use criterion in that it illustrates a subject for which a freely licensed image could reasonably be found or created that provides substantially the same information. If you believe this image is not replaceable, please:

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[edit] AC/DC audio samples

Hey, you mentioned in your comment on Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/AC/DC that working audio samples into the AC/DC article would be a good idea. I was think of doing this, but I was wondering if there was a page I could go to which would give me all the details on uploading audio content? I'm not entirely sure of how to do it and I'm not sure about any copyright trivials involved. Thanks for your time. ĤĶ51→Łalk 17:24, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Okay

I've seen your work around and was quite impressed. I didn't notice you'd moved it down as it wasn't immediately obvious and Celine Dion is not an article I care to solidly read through, If you believe moving it down is helpful than that is fine. I appologise for my hastyness, but i'll always assume bad faith 99% of the time due to the sheer amount of bad faith edits i find myself constantly dealing with. Perhaps it's a side-effect of working with the articles I do, but i wouldn't change working with those articles for the world (it increases my knowledge and musical talents/scene knowledge). I think i spotted you around on that Tyree article. I believe I agreed with stances taken there by you.--I'll bring the food 04:31, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

NB Sometimes wiki naming strategies are bizarre: Dorico Alonzo Tyree--I'll bring the food 04:33, 31 December 2006 (UTC)
Yes but my unnaturally high level of courtesy is often worn down by other things in my life, such as my arsehole real life neighbours, I don't just edit this (and I'm sure you don't either).--I'll bring the food 04:51, 31 December 2006 (UTC)
I am a keen singer-songwriter, but not in the indie vanity sense. I write Hard rock stuff.--I'll bring the food 05:12, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

Writing songs is a skill, not a talent (i'm not saying you said it was a talent tho). The best way to get started (assuming you would like to try writing) would be to get yourself a pirate copy of Guitar Pro (great little music composition program), some guitar pro tabs of your favorite songs, learn about music theory, and start from there with random power chord patterns. It's really easy actually, just a matter of repetition and looking at other artist's work until you come up with something good. It's all learning, thus my skill not talent comment. The talent is in the playing/singing, although if you know your range and write for it you can make fairly good stuff, and if all else fails, vocal range-wise you can wail in falsetto, which a few of the greats do, like Plant, or Axl Rose. Or if you're so inclined, Justin Timberlake (although it remains to be seen if that guy'll become "one of the greats" of R&B)

And everyone gets stage fright, the key is creating a fake image, or a persona to hide behind. David Bowie took it the furthest, imo with Ziggy Stardust. Some stars become their persona eventually. James Hetfield had a great Hard Rock persona, although he seems to have dispensed with it when it lead him to alcoholism. On the pop/R&B side of things, Michael Jackson had the gang defying image (beat it), the monster within (Thriller), that whole Cowboy hat stage, and the humanitarian thing which has become rather dire but then that last one seems to have merged into him. But you won't need to take it that far to perform on an open mic night ;). --I'll bring the food 05:43, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

Ahh, I see. If you're confident you're a good tenor you should work on your lyric writing skills, learn some song-writing and melody writing, and find some people to work with who also write, that is if you're interested in it. I'd try lots of writing techniques, there are lots of ways to do it, none of them are wrong (well i suppose there must be ways that are wrong but you get my drift). If you're lazy and/or just can't write good material, find somebody who can and set up a partnership. You might not know this person, but in the UK we have a famous singer-song writer called Robbie Williams who wrote a very famous song with Guy Chambers called Angels, it made tons, Williams can't write well without Chambers. So there's no harm in finding a writer to work with. Bernie Taupin writes with Elton John. Lennon had McCartney (or vice versa). You'll learn best watching others writing.
I am a Basso-Cantante so I have no middle range ability of strength. I rely fairly heavily on my song-writing, and use of my skills to write for the lower part of my range, and i use big scale jumps (money notes), because I know that I can hit my middle notes sparsely, and that it can sound as good as hitting them all the way through a song, it's all about tension development, but you could probably sing songs that ride the middle range (F4-A4) with ease. Are you lyrical or dramatic in tone? I'm fairly lyrical for a bass, but a lyric bass is like a really heavy bass-baritone or dramatic baritone on steroids anyway so it doesn't really show ;). I hear some tenors go up to F above tenor c. Apparently, in his youth, Chris Cornell went up to G above tenor C, not sure if that guy's actually a tenor tho, i know that one has a vicious debate surrounding it. How high can you go? I'm sure my belted E4-F4 sucks in comparison. I'm still working on my belting skills. I need to find a teacher to help me learn to belt up to my natural peak at G4-A4 really. All I get are these annoying Speech Level Singing prats in my area. "Just narrow the vowel" *rolls eyes* (Okay if you want to hit the top notes in Head, but i can do that anyway). --I'll bring the food 06:35, 31 December 2006 (UTC)
Big delay in the last message and this - I know I'm busy again lol. How do you produce your E2 as a tenor? With creaky voice; some sort of growl or is it a low chest note that's quite quiet? I'd love to hear it. You fit the full range for a tenor perfectly by the way. That's the range given by one of my many books for a fully trained operatic tenor. Well technically your range is supposed to go down to D but then your upper is supposed to go to E, and yours goes to F (i think you said) so it's just a slight re-alignment.--I'll bring the food (Talk - Contribs - My Watchlist) 02:10, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Happy New Year

Hi Orane, hope the New Year has gone well so far, and best wishes for a productive Winter session. Take care -- Samir धर्म 21:30, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

Oi me too me too. Happy new year Orane! Late, I know. KOS | talk 21:47, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Osfan Trouble

Whilst it's no secret I've had my share of run-ins with mods, I have to again report that Osfan, has resorted to further cases of harrasment on my talk page. I have not been arguing with him since your last intervention. You can check my history for his ridiculous comments.

Dr. R.K.Z (talk • contribs)


...And he's STILL posting on my talkpage, please block him.

Dr. R.K.Z (talk • contribs)


http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Dr._R.K.Z&action=history


Dr. R.K.Z (talk • contribs), 11th Janurary 2007


...And he's doing it AGAIN...if you do not resort to certain action, or report this to someone who can, I'm going to deal with this myself, deleting his comments and generally isolating him from the talkpage until you see fit to kick him off the site.


Dr. R.K.Z (talk • contribs), 11th Janurary 2007

[edit] At Last

Hi Orane, as you know I worked very hard to make all Dion's singles/albums/videos/tours articles. I have one problem at the moment. Could you make your opinion about the "At Last" article? If you look at the history, my last version was from 18:03, 1 lut 2007. It was a short article including Dion's infobox. Unfortunatelly it was removed completly because it's not "notable" enough. The next day the original Etta James version was expanded. My question is: can we add Dion's version (with infobox) not breaking Wikipedia rules? I can agree that many artists recorded their versions, but they weren't released as singles. Dion relased "At Last" as a single in the U.S. and it even charted on the Hot Adult Contemporary Tracks. She also performed this song so many times during her 2002 promotion of A New Day Has Come and sang it live for 4 years during her A New Day... show. Max24 14:07, 05 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Upcoming releases

Orane, could you add few words about D'Elles and "S'il N'en Restait Qu'une (Je Serais Celle-là)" on Celine Dion main page? It's not a rumor anymore.

By the way...could you anwser my quetsion about At Last? Thanks Max24 03:21, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] re: Prince and biting newcomers

hey hey! First, thanks. Second, I didnt mean to come off as "biting" as it seems; that particular user made identical edits as an anon IP user a few weeks ago and it wasn't until after I left the message on his User Talk Page that he created his main user page, which gave me a better indication of where he was coming from, so that's why I initially thought he was more of the vandal type (as a longtime editor I'm sure you know what I mean). That said, I will be more careful in the future. See ya around! :-) - eo 06:16, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] At Last discussion

Orane, could you take part in this discussion. Big thanks, Max24 13:43, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Your edit summary

Your edit summary here [1], is totally out of order. Following wiki process is not "FUCKING NONSENSE". I felt that the claim should have been cited and added the request. If you have a problem with this I suggest you start a WP:RFC on my actions, otherwise moderate your language. Also stop taking every edit I make as a personal insult. You don't own the article and I am quite within my rights to add a fact request. Any further profanity and I will take things further. You are not above the rules.  Funky Monkey  (talk)  18:47, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

First off, I will not censor myself. If I feel like cursing now and again, I will do it, so go right ahead and take it further if you want. I really don't give a damn. Secondly, your edit was a personal insult: since our disagreement some time ago, you have been focusing heavily on all the articles that I usually contribute to (i.e. trolling) and have been adding requests and tags (and PS: my only concern right now is the Celine Dion page, so all the tags and templates that you added to the daughter articles don't mean a thing :)). The entire biography is sourced— if not with footnotes, then with reference. Thank you! Orane (talk • cont.) 22:37, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
You know what? I'm actually going to admit that I overreacted on this issue, and for that, I'm genuinely sorry. I should not have cursed, and I was out of line. You were within your rights to add the request, and I commend you on your work here. I think it's time that we end this feud, or the animosity between us (even if you think that there is none) as it's really pointless. See you around. Orane (talk • cont.) 06:04, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Survey Invitation

Hi there, I am a research student from the National University of Singapore and I wish to invite you to do an online survey about Wikipedia. To compensate you for your time, I am offering a reward of USD$10, either to you or as a donation to the Wikimedia Foundation. For more information, please go to the research home page. Thank you. --WikiInquirer 21:45, 3 March 2007 (UTC)talk to me

[edit] RFA Thanks

I would like to thank you for your support in my recent RFA. As you may or may not be aware, it passed with approximately 99% support. I ensure you that I will use the tools well, and if I ever disappoint you, I am open to recall. If you ever need anything, don't hesitate to leave me a note on my talkpage. Thanks again, ^demon[omg plz] 20:29, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Beautiful Liar

I've unprotected this page; I can't find a request for protection, nor an explanation for your action, and you'd edited the page before protecting it, so shouldn't really be applying protection at all. --Mel Etitis (Talk) 22:09, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

First off, I understand your position, and why you would choose to unprotect the page. However, here are my concerns: I don't believe that the policy states that you can't ever protect a page if you have edited it. An editor was reverting the image in the article, because he/she did not like the fact that the official single cover featured Beyonce only (and not both artists). As such, I reverted the page to its correct version, and protected it against 3RR and vandalism by the editor.
Also, I do not appreciate the fact that you reverted every single one of my edits, including the updated chart information and the entire section on chart performance (yes, you actually reverted the page to a week old version). The Billboard charts are so easy to find (billboard.com). It may have been easier and far more productive to take a glance at their website to validate the information, instead of reverting another person's hard work. (Keep in mind that the version that you reverted the page to was also not sourced.) Orane (talk • cont.) 03:43, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
I've sourced (or have tried to source) the information in the article. But in the future, it will only take a second to check the information yourself. If many anon editors are persistent in updating the info, it could mean something. I know that rollback button comes in handy, but .... Orane (talk • cont.) 04:50, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

Just a further point: I haven't, of course, been using rollback; I've been explaining why I've reverted edits. It might be a vain attempt at educating editors to use edit summaries and give sources, but at least it's an effort. --Mel Etitis (Talk) 10:03, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

I just wanted to know that I've removed the charts you added to the article. Component charts shouldn't be added, even when sourced (see Wikipedia:Record charts). ShadowHalo 18:31, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Pop articles

The articles are besieged by editors, mostly but not only anons, adding or deleting material with no explanation and no sources. They too respond (if they respond at all) with what is essentially "if you want a source, look it up for yourself" — that, though, is not what WP:CITE says. As admins, we surely ought to provide a good example.

I've been trying to defend this and similar articles for a while (despite having not the slightest interest in any of the subjects), which is why I haven't protected it — though it would have saved me a lot of hassle to do so. (Semi-protection isn't so bad in my view, but that might be non-standard, I haven't checked. --Mel Etitis (Talk) 10:01, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for your reply. It's easy for us all to get a bit short-tempered in the face of so much vandalism, disruption, and just plain poor editing — my apologies for any sharpness of tone, especially as we're obviously on the same side... --Mel Etitis (Talk) 16:26, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Removing the Akon top image

That's fine, but your first edit summary only said "rv album cover as display", which to me wasn't a good reason to remove it, which is why I reverted. As for the usage elsewhere in the article, the copyright box says it can be used "solely to illustrate the audio recording in question," and it seems like it's being used that way. --AW 20:05, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Updated Ben Shneiderman entry, created UofMD Human-Computer Interaction Lab entry

With permission, I updated Ben Shneiderman's entry with modified content taken from his online CV. I'm affiliated with his institution, the University of Maryland's Human-Computer Interaction Lab (HCIL). The material is factual and not a copyright violation so I'd appreciate your restoring the updated version. I also created an entry for HCIL, based on HCIL Web site content.

What's the procedure for using, with permission, such material to create entries?

Thanks...

Usualtalk 19:31, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Global warming article

Thanks for your helpful note re bias at the Global warming entry. Could you please post a note at the mediation page? We need to collect support for making the article more inclusive and diverse. Thanks. --Sm8900 14:24, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] GW

You seem to be basing your edits to GW on the page saying: "Global warming is happening, we are all gonna die. Oh, by the way, it's not really important, but some people are uncertain." But since the page doesn't say this at all, or anything like it, I can't see your criticism as at all valid William M. Connolley 16:18, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

No, my critique of your opinion is entirely relevant. If you've added your tag for an invalid reason - as you obviously have, since you make no attempt to defend your opinion - it should be removed William M. Connolley 16:42, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
I have defended my opinion on the talk page, under 'neutrality,' and others have supported me. You have no right to guard the article as you have been doing, and you are in no position whatsoever to judge whether my opinions are valid or invalid. I can see why numerous attempts to improve and balance the article have failed— editors like you bludgeon anyone who dares to challenge it. This is an article that fails miserably to explore the political and social aspects of global warming (Why, for example, have governments failed to ratify the Kyoto Protocol?), and fails to give due treatment to those who doubt global warming, or whether greenhouse gasses are the cause. Don't, however, for a minute think that I'll concede to your bullying. Orane (talk • cont.) 17:05, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
Orane, I totally agree with all your ideas stated above. I appreciate having your support. By the way, do you wish to comment at the mediation page? Not trying to harp on this, but just suggesting it. The more different voices we have there, the better. By the way, if not, would it be a problem if I copied some of this comment there, as proof for our side? Thanks. --Sm8900 18:02, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
Sure, go right ahead. Orane (talk • cont.) 18:04, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
No, you've asserted that the article says "Global warming is happening, we are all gonna die". Since this is obviously false, what are your views worth? The political and social aspects have their own articles, and I'm not clear why you want to force them into here. GW is a nice article that accurately represents the state of the science - and this is why you hate it William M. Connolley 19:29, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
Ok, how about moving past the 'we are all gonna die' premise? I'm certain that I have explained myself far more clearly here, as well as in the FA review, so I fail to see why you hang on to my previous statements. And don't believe that you have the right to guard the article because you are a climate modeler. I could care less. This is Wikipedia, not Antarctica. I'm well-aware that the political and social have their own articles, but as a featured article (yes, its supposed to be a "featured article," not a "nice article" as you claim), "Global Warming" should contain a summary of the daughter articles— this would fulfill the 'comprehensive' criterion, and would address any issue of being biased. (Again, how did this article pass FAC?). Lastly, please don't presume to know me or why I have a particular opinion against the state of an article.
I'm obviously not getting through to you here, so I don't see the point of the back and forth discussion. Hopefully, with my help, this article can be demoted and then rewritten in a more comprehensive and inclusive manner. Orane (talk • cont.) 20:59, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
If you no longer defend the "gonna die" stuff then be honest and strike it out. If you do that, you have no argument left. I fear you are indeed making yourself quite clear - your aim is to turn the article into unmanageble junk to fit your views, which is sad William M. Connolley 21:07, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
No, the article is already unmanageable junk geared to fit your view. I'm simply trying to get a stable article here. And since you do not own it, I'm gonna go right ahead and fix it myself, or point out that some people have a problem with it (it befuddles me why you try to stifle our opinion). If you stop me, I'll get a third party to block the article from both of us. Orane (talk • cont.) 21:17, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

What you need to realize, Mr Connolley, is that you have no more authority here than I do. Orane (talk • cont.) 21:19, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] 3rr

You've broken WP:3RR on global warming. Do please self-revert William M. Connolley 21:40, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

I'll do no such thing, Mr Connolley. And if you revert it yourself, then you would have also committed 3RR...so I'm guessing that both of us may be blocked then? Orane (talk • cont.) 21:46, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Please take some time for reflection

You're about this || close to a block for tendentious editing and provoking others with "I dare you" edit summaries like this.[2] It would be best for all concerned if you take a few moments to gain some perspective. Raymond Arritt 21:50, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

I am calm. I have tried to remain respectful to all parties involved in the issue. My edit summary was not a dare; I was pointing out the rules, since Mr. Connolley has a tendency to revert warnings/notices as he sees fit. I encourage you to take whatever steps you think are necessary. Orane (talk • cont.) 21:56, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

PS: Why am I the only one who was warned in the matter? Orane (talk • cont.) 21:59, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

Yours was the only edit summary that stuck out. Raymond Arritt 22:03, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
Well, it's always best to have a comprehensive grasp of the issue before becoming involved and threatening blocks. Thanks. Orane (talk • cont.) 22:05, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
It certainly wasn't intended as a threat -- just some advice to relax before things got out of hand. Best for everyone if the situation doesn't deteriorate to that point. Anyway the article is protected now so all concerned will have some time to cool off. Raymond Arritt 22:08, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Protection

I'm not keen on 3RR-blocking unless there's real bad-faith editing. I think that protecting the article is more productive, so that everyone involved can discuss the issues on the Tallk page. I'll look in regularly, but not get involved. I hope that that's OK. --Mel Etitis (Talk) 22:08, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

Per this report, I agree with Mel that blocking probably isn't the best move. As such, don't edit the article until you have reached some form of consensus on the talk page, and, by all means, avoid violating 3RR, whether that be technically or in spirit. alphachimp 01:35, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Hi

(discussion lifted from the talk page of William M. Connolley, before it was deleted by the editor. [3]).

I don't know if you'd accept it, but I'd like to apologize for my behaviour today. I'm not necessarily saying that I'm wrong to try to tag the article. I'm just saying that I (or both of us) could have handled the situation in a more mature manner. I realize that it's your career, and it's a subject that you are extremely passionate about and are very authoritative on. Nevertheless, I hope that you try to understand my opinion, as i have yours, and hopefully, we can come to a compromise. I also hope that you don't get too frustrated with WP. We need devoted and knowledgeable editors like you around here. Anyway, I'm off to bed; I have work in the morning. Orane (talk • cont.) 05:15, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

If your apologies are at all serious, I suggest you go modify your comments on t:ME, or stop pretending William M. Connolley 21:44, 7 April 2007 (UTC). Oh, and running off to ME to avoid getting blocked was a poor show William M. Connolley 22:01, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
Excuse me? Let me set something straight with you: I have no intention of modifying my comment. This is the way I feel, and if you don't accept it, then fine. I don't give a damn about being blocked; unlike many people, my life doesn't revolve around Wikipedia. So if your assumption is that I came here to beg sympathy, then believe me, you are mistaken. I wonder how you became an Admin with such a pompous, malign attitude. Others may revere you, William, or even respect you because of the work you do, but I couldn't care less. To me, you are just another editor. A dick who goes around Wikipedia believing that his achievements make him a better person that everyone else. I have so much more to say, but I'll stop here, because I refuse to stoop to your level. Thank you. Orane (talk • cont.) 05:04, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
Obvious personal attack. --Skyemoor 13:26, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] On other editors' comments, the GFDL, and courtesy

I happened to see this diff go past on my watchlist a moment ago, and I'm a bit troubled by your edit summary: "im sorry, but this is my talk page. By contributing to Wikipedia, you relinquish control and copyright of your contributions. thank you and have a nice day." It contains a couple of misconceptions that ought to be cleared up.

First, while all our contributions to Wikpedia are released under the terms of the GFDL, we do not give up our copyright on them. Indeed, the GFDL only works because it sets out conditions under which copyrighted material may be used. This is a common misunderstanding.

Second, while all contributions to Wikipedia are released under the GFDL, the GFDL is by no means the only policy governing our conduct and our use of other editors' words. In the thread above, it appears that you've inserted another editor's remarks into a discussion thread without specifying who actually inserted the remarks or where they came from. You have a moral obligation to clearly indicate where the remarks came from, and who actually placed them on this page; otherwise, a naive reader might assume that WMC actually posted that remark here as part of the discussion into which you've inserted it. To do otherwise might be considered disruptive. TenOfAllTrades(talk) 20:01, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

It doesn't matter where on Wikipedia the discussion took place. What matters is that it did take place. Anyway, I'll source the point, even though it doesn't make any difference to me. Also, may be considered disruptive by who? Did I disrupt you? Did I disrupt William? No. He has been systematically deleting parts of my comments that we conducted on his talk page, so I placed them on mine. He doesn't seem to have a problem with any other discussions on my talk page; he only has a problem with that particular thread. Why? Possible because it paints a bad picture of him. Orane (talk • cont.) 20:12, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
As a related point, I find your practice of copying material back and forth between different UserTalk pages very confusing. I'm never certain where you want replies to go, or where to look for your reply. Wouldn't it be simpler to keep a discussion unified in a single location? Raymond Arritt 20:17, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
Not necessarily. If the editor chooses to delete my comments, then I have no choice now, do I? Orane (talk • cont.) 20:19, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
Thank you for clarifying the comment's source. There are two related problems with copying comments from one page to another without specifying the original source. One is that it makes it difficult to verify that the words copied were actually the words written; the diff here has your name on it and not WMC's. The other is that moving comments to another page can strip them of their context; it's important to specify the page that they were taken from to provide that context. TenOfAllTrades(talk) 20:24, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
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