Talk:Joses

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[edit] Not in the CathEn

I find no entry for Joses in the Catholic Encyclopedia. Before mentioning this fact in the entry, can anyone find an entry for the Joses, brother of Jesus, who is mentioned in Mark 6:3, Matthew 13:55 and Mark 15:40. Perhaps he's just not that important to the RC Church. Wetman 22:33, 14 Jul 2004 (UTC)

No objections. Entered. --Wetman 10:02, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Wetman's revert

So Wetman reverted back to the previous version, once again claiming that he is reverting surpressing:

  • First of all he is reverting a POV tag (which I placed and which was met by my edits) without any explanation.
  • He reverts to version that creates redundancy by recounting the same stuff twice (Mark and Matthew)
  • He reintroduces the wrong meaning of Joses as "He that forgives" when it is indeed "The Lord will increase"
  • Above can be seen his observation that Jose has no distinct article in the CathEn. He might have overseen that Joses is mentioned, albeit with the statement that nothing is known of him (which is quite accurate), but his inclusion of a non-information (by linking to a ToC) is beyond me. This clearly serves to imply a certain view.
  • Connected to that his extremely POV statement that "The primary meaning of the text would be clear and sufficient, were it not for the dogma of the perpetual virginity of Mary, not directly attested in the New Testament, which developed during the 2nd century and later became dogma of the Roman Catholic Church." In other words, Catholics got it wrong and without them everything would be fine. That it wouldn't be fine is indicated by the fact that Joses in Mark is a "brother of the Lord" and the son of a different (!) Mary. Now, I am not about pushing either view as fact, but Wetman and the previous version did exactly that: assert one view as fact and ridicule opposing views (and not only here).
  • Eisenman overkill. If we want to state his view than we should do this and first provide a lenghty introduction from his POV. Eisenman identifies Joses and Joseph Barsabbas and we will and shall state that. Then we can explain about Barsabbas or link to him.
  • Finally, a bogus genealogy without attributing it to an author, clearly assering that Jesus is the son of Joseph. Wetman you may think so, everyone may think so but one thing it is not is NPOV.

Therefore I am compelled to revert his undoing of my recent efforts. Str1977 (smile back) 23:02, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

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