Talk:Jose Luis de Jesus Miranda

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This article was nominated for deletion on September 14, 2006. The result of the discussion was KEEP.

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I am very familiar with WP:BLP and read the comment from Jimbo some time back. I have sourced the claim from named authorities, which was not difficult. Guy 06:57, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

--Reburris 12:27, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

I've added my notes from his Today Show appearence. Please forgive me if my method is a little too informal. I'm trying to expand the article with the little time that I can spare. I think this article will be worth keeping.

1 Edit by anon
2 A little more
3 Anti-Christ
4 de Jesus or Miranda
5 NPV
6 mmm

[edit] Edit by anon

[1] - anyone know if this is correct? JoshuaZ 04:20, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

This Wiki artile is EXTREMELY PLAGARIZED from www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16840066/site/newsweek/

[edit] A little more

I'm not a religious person and well obviously even if he's a fraud well wanted to request this article to be removed since it's pure BS but i doubt it happens since he has shaken the medias greatly. So here is a little more data for you guys to implement

He's from Ponce, Puerto Rico, he has a son who have also denied the fact that he is "jesus", he was a drug user and he also used heroine, he admitted it in the program "A Calzon Quitao" aired in Wapa TV(Puerto Rican Media), interviewed by Ruben Sanchez.

The story he gives to Ruben is that, his son a few years ago told him that jesus was going to come tonight, that he couldn't believe what his son said till the so called apparition happened.

A woman, that have followed him, in a previous interview broke a picture of The previous Pope, calling him a liar. (Sorry I forgot her name, she says she follows his teachings).

According to Jose luis, he says all the churches are lying always going in the same loop, that his words is full of truth and that people shouldn't listen to the catholic church anymore. He also mentioned that he stopped the Colombian government to stop giving money to catholic churches.

Maybe I can add more but I need to gather a few names from here and there.

--64.237.221.115 00:47, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Anti-Christ

I don't speak much Spanish, but it certainly appears that in this video (http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=4adc1e71fd), he appears to be claiming the mantle of the Anti-Christ. Can somebody who knows the language verify this? GutterMonkey 04:32, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

Lol... Yeah. I just read a newsweek article, which said the same thing. Lol... His explination is pretty foolish as well. Personally, I think this article should be removed from wiki. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16840066/site/newsweek/ The less attention he receives, the less likely he will become an anoying bug.

According to Newsweek he is in fact claiming to be the Anti-Christ in addition to being the Christ. Here is a quote from the article: "The lectern is emblazoned with a near replica of the U.S. presidential seal, except that it reads in Spanish, government of god on earth." The article also says he has control over his followers in much the same way Jim Jones did. Like Jones, Miranda says anyone is free to come and go as they please. Meet the Minister who says he is Jesus Christ Anynobody 21:38, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

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Followers appear to mainly be lower-class Hispanics. Observe the millions of lower-class Hispanics illegally invading the USA. Make of it what you will. Personally, I fear for the future of the USA. ip68-13-191-153.om.om.cox.net

Well, Mr. Omaha, what you are contending is that the antichrist is going to be a McDonald's manager or a meatpacking manager?68.152.95.130 18:37, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

I'm not religious, but I think that this article is going to spawn a ton of controversy. It should be locked down for a while.

Oh and your allegations that the illegal immigrants causing trouble are completely untrue. Instead of trying to stop illegal immigrants, the U.S. should make legal immigration easier on the poor.

70.63.133.20 18:20, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

While I do believe Jesus will have had to edured the sins of man. Since he died on the cross for our sins I do not believe this man is nothing more then the devil himself trying to use our love for christ and God to get you to follow him to hell. If Jesus died on the cross for our sins isn't it safe to say that in order to be free from the devil or hell it's self would mean there could be no more sin? So how would we rid mankind of sin other then sining himself but instead of living that one life of sin having sinned differnt sins over different lives all the while knowing and understanding the consiquences but unable to be free of the burden since it is his to bear. In the end he would be absolved of those sins but mankind would be saved cause if Jesus sinned as man has sinned then how could God look at his son as being holy and cast mankind away as eveil for they would be equal in all rights. Thus hell would cease to exist and the devil with it.

[edit] de Jesus or Miranda

The article should be consistent. Which one should it use? RB9 7 2 04:43, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] NPV

Although I am not a Christian, I note that this article is incredibly biased in favor of Mr. de Jesus. There are some "allegations" that are refuted with unsourced evidence, and the grammar is poor. If this was Uncyclopedia I would NRV it, but it's not, so I'm going to give people a chance to fix it before I renominate it for VFD. Railcgun 21:56, 13 March 2007 (UTC)