Talk:José Calvo Sotelo

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[edit] Killing ordered by the government

The article cited by Ksenon (The Spanish Civil War - A brief history of this epic struggle) doesn't state that the killing of Calvo Sotelo was ordered by the government, it simply says that he was killed by "the government police". By the way, other web pages reports that one third of the Assault Guard joined the Nationalist, so we can't simply assume that the government ordered the killing just because the Assault Guards were a police force of the republic. Also, that article is extremely biased. I don't think that an article that states that "led by Franco, the people of Spain had defeated their worst enemy. Franco brought peace, order and prosperity to Spain, and kept that peace, order and prosperity for over 35 years." should be trusted as a veritable source. GhePeU 19:59, 2 April 2006 (UTC)

The President of the Spanish Police and the comunist Member of Parliament Margarita Nelken have known of the crime, but it can't be said that the crime was ordered by the governement. The only thing you can reproach to them in this case is, that Casares Quiroga called indirectly to murder Calvo in a debate in june and that, in the three days between the crime and the Civil War, the government didn't make a real effort to find and punish the criminals- effort which could have avoided the civil war.

[edit] Useless dramatization

"His murder by a commando unit of the Assault Guards was a precedent in the history of western parliamentarism, the first legal opposition leader to be murdered by governmental forces of the then left-wing government." This sentence seems to imply that there was a long series of opposition leaders killed by left-wing governments in western europe. AFAIK this is not the case, so there is no reason to adopt such dramatical tones. GhePeU 12:43, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

I advise you to read the sentence again, looking up "precedent" if need be. Ksenon 19:24, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

A precedent for what? For the regular killing of opposition leaders by the left-wing western european governments? GhePeU 21:43, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

"Precedent" as in "1st time". Why do you feel this info needs to be censored? Ksenon 22:37, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

I'm not censoring anything, I just removed something that it isn't even an info. Everything is a precedent under some strict conditions, and you're saying that it is a murder of an opposition leader (1), in western europe (2), by some political enemy (3), related to the government (4), a left-wing government (5). You can find many other examples just by removing 1 or 2 of those conditions. GhePeU 23:49, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

The conditions arent strict. Name one other opposition leader who was killed by the police in a democratic, pluralist state. Ksenon 22:18, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

At first you stated that Calvo Sotelo was murdered by the government, and you finally conceded that there are just unproved suspicions after days of reverts. Then you keep reverting to a POV description that implies that killing opposition leaders is a normal policy for left-wing governments. Should I note that you keep inserting as well a totally POV statement that the left-wing government started a period of "terror"? Please limit yourself to facts and avoid rhetoric sentences. GhePeU 19:00, 13 April 2006 (UTC)