User talk:Jonto

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[edit] Zealotry

You ought to get in touch with User: 64.109.253.204. This anonymous user has very strong opinions about my edits.

Lapsed Pacifist 21:05, 15 July 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Cut and paste moves

As regards Irish Republican Army:

Please do not attempt to move pages by cutting and pasting content. This forks the edit histories of pages, thus breaking the edit attribution needed under the GFDL, not to mention making it harder to see how the article evolved generally.

Use the "move" tab above the article to move the entire article (including edit history) to a new location.

For the time being I have restored the original content at Irish Republican Army. Should you wish to move it to the location you previously chose, I can delete the pasted article for you first (pages can only be moved to an "empty" location).

zoney ♣ talk 14:02, 21 July 2005 (UTC)

I have deleted Irish Republican Army (1916-1919), so should you wish, you can move the Irish Republican Army page there (although I would suggest putting a notice on talk page and waiting a few days to see what others think). zoney ♣ talk 14:04, 21 July 2005 (UTC)
Thanks, I was not aware I could do that.Jonto 13:51, 23 July 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Ulster Banner

I'm still somewhat unhappy about this. How widespread is the term "Ulster Banner" for the Northern Ireland flag? It's certainly a POV term for a flag associated with (note, not representing) the six counties only, and not all of Ulster. I would be prepared to accept that it is termed the Ulster Banner if there are sources, but I'm still not sure it's proper to refer to it as such (and certainly without explaining the problem with the term) here on Wikipedia.

zoney ♣ talk 17:23, 26 July 2005 (UTC)

As said, "Ulster banner" is the flag's official name, as sourced from the Flags of the World site on that page. From experience the term is not used that often - the most common term being "Ulster Flag", so I don't see how removing it is going to make any difference. From the article's title of "Flag of Northern Ireland, so I don't think you can get any clearer than that. I think it is also explained pretty well.
I also think it is a matter of debate as to whether "Ulster" in an article on NI is a "POV" term as you put it (this is actually your POV!!). This is a very complex issue because the word is used in many contexts - cultural, political, geographical, historical, sporting, as an identity, and often mainly because "Ulster" is 2 syllables and "Northern Ireland" is 4 syllables! Depending on your POV and context Ulster has 9 counties, 6 counties, or perhaps most significantly and accurately is a cultural region with no exact boundary. There is a distinct Ulster/Ulster-Scot identity in NI (and also in some areas in the Republic, mainly Donegal where many people have an almost identical accent and a close relationship to those in NI), of which the existence of Northern Ireland plays a crucial role in upholding this identity. Therefore, to supress such information is actually causing offence to many Ulstermen and Ulsterwomen. I think this issue of Ulster identity and the cultural region does not seem to be mentioned on wikipedia, and the Ulster article actually needs some work to bring it up to scratch.Jonto 23:54, 31 July 2005 (UTC)


You may want to take a glance at Irish Republican Army. A user wants to blur the line between the Old IRA and later IRAs and is annoyed that, as a professional historian, I am trying to point out the fact that post 1922 IRAs did not have the same legitimacy in the public's eyes as the IRA of the Anglo-Irish War. FearÉIREANNImage:Ireland coa.png\(caint) 21:35, 30 July 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Question for you...

Hey Jonto, we discussed previously on the Derry/Londonderry vote. It's a bit naughty of me but I'm assuming where you are coming from politically and geographically and as such I was hoping you would have some knowledge of the breaking of the boom in "Stroke_City". I was hoping to add something to the article on River Foyle. A lifetime ago I did a project at school using materials from the Linenhall library, but I'm now half way round the world and don't really know where to start... I added the suicide info on the Foyle at that article, but would dearly love to add more information to the article to balance it out a bit. Interested? BTW if you are in the north it would be good to get a vandalised sign photo for the stroke city article... SeanMack 12:52, 5 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Talk:Northern Ireland

Fair enough, I was reverting other vandalism by that user and I may have been a bit hasty. Demiurge 19:43, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

No problemo. Jonto 19:50, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Template:Scouts UK Counties

I see you have added the Flag again. User:The Tom removed it because it might be seen as POV and argumentative. I've no fixed views. I just wish someone would add the English Scout Counties or, as I would prefer,, change the whole thing to a more workable number of regions - workable in terms of having articles on Scouting for each link. Let us see if it stays. If it gets reverted again, I will suggest to the WikiProject Scouting that all flags be removed from the template. --Bduke 21:46, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

User The_Tom removed the image from many templates, despite not fully understanding al the issues at hand - I simply restored to all.
I have no problems with you removing all the flags from this particular template.Jonto 22:02, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] NI

Hi Jonto. Left a message for you on my talk page. Cheers. --Mal 20:44, 11 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Ulster

Good call on your revert for the Ulster disambig page. The previous edit was POV. "Often called" is fine in my books. --Mal 00:58, 2 April 2006 (UTC)

Awww poor little 'Jonto' has been rumbled. Dismiss us as 'Irish Republicans'? I'm sure as hell Irish - prove that I'm a 'Republican'.. Tír Eoghain abú

[edit] Your notes

Thanks for your notes, had I been awake when you posted them I probably would have restored some or all of your posts. I'd still advise you to tone down your criticism of Jtdirl unless you want to take formal steps against him, viz. RfC, RfAr. That kind of "ROUGE ADMIN!!!" stuff regardless of Truth or not just turns people off. Regards, - FrancisTyers · 11:45, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Belfast WikiProject

Seeing your reply on the Northern Ireland talk page reminded me that you're from Belfast, aren't you? Anyway - here's a standard circular I've been sending to people who have listed themselves as Northern Irish Wikipedians, or people who have made decent contributions to Belfast-related articles:

As you have contributed to an article relating to Belfast, I hope you could take some time to read this page about our new project: Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Belfast.

Thanks. --Mal 01:54, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Ulster flag

I've corrected the hand in Image:Flag of Ulster.svg, please let me know if there's something else that need to be fixed. Conscious 15:46, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

Hey,

You might want to look at talk:Prime minister. The page was moved to the illiterate form Prime minister by a vote of 3 people. A new RM is taking place but the illiterates seem to be queuing to endorse such a crazy move. Feel free to contribute to the debate. FearÉIREANN\(caint) 03:15, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Northern Ireland mediation

A request for mediation has been filed with the Mediation Committee. It doesn't list you as a party, but you may wish to add yourself. Please review the request at Wikipedia:Requests for mediation/Northern Ireland and, if you wish, add you name and indicate that you agree to mediate. If you are unfamiliar with mediation, please refer to Wikipedia:Mediation. There are only seven days for everyone to agree, so please check as soon as possible. --Hroðulf (or Hrothulf) (Talk) 18:20, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] "Irish Border"

Hi, I have reverted your edit, as you introduced material about the UK's own internal land frontiers that are not relevant. The wording: "The only land frontier between Ireland and the United Kingdom" is correct. All the best, bigpad 15:59, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] List of British flags‎

1. Please see the talk page. The flag is historical and not the current official flag and therefore should be in the historical section, and 2. remember WP:CIVIL, next time you make a comment like you did in your edit summary you will be reported.--Vintagekits 19:26, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

1. You state the very few things are official in British Law, however, it WAS official until the 70's and that status was taken away from the flag, if you require any further information please see the Britsh flags talk page. 2. Your comment could be construed by others as being in breach if WP:CIVIL and WP:NPA - like I say, do it again and I will report you.--Vintagekits 19:44, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
  • I've restored the flag again after more vandalism by VK. He is also removing it from List of Irish flags now. Astrotrain 11:22, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Blocked for personal attack

I've blocked you 24 hours for this unprovoked personal attack against Vintagekits. The attack was completely egregious, as the conversation did not and does not in any way involve you. Please review the policy forbidding personal attacks and do not repeat the behavior after your block expires. | Mr. Darcy talk 21:53, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

To any reviewing admin: I second this. It's nasty and the block is warranted. Tyrenius 01:47, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
The conversation does involve me as I have had dealings with this user before. If stating the simple facts of certain users behaviour, and supporting someone who I believe was unjustly banned warrants a ban myself (not that I really am particularly worried about being 'banned'), then that leads me to warrant little respect for those involved with 'admin' status. Jonto

[edit] Flag of Northern Ireland debate

You have been involved in the flag debate on the Northern Ireland talk page. If you remember there were four option listed about the way forward. If you wish you can go here and make your position clear. regards--Vintagekits 21:53, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] List of British flags

Please keep an eye on this article. Referenced material about the Flag of Northern Ireland keeps getting removed. Astrotrain 16:51, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

Can you explain why you ignored the discussion in the List of British flags talk page, but reverted the last edit to remove the errors in that article. The Ulster Banner is not the Offical National Flag of Northern Ireland, it is already included in the Historical National Flag section of the article where it belongs. I also see that Astrotrain, contacted you to get you to edit the article, this is after I warned him I would report him for vandalising edits to that article.--padraig3uk 23:57, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
Your politically motivated edits as revmoval of "errors". I hardly "ignored" the talk page considering I was involved on it. I am from now on refusing to comment further on your "flag campaign" as you are simply regurgitating the same material. Any future attempts to remove NI's de facto flag will be simply reverted.

Jonto 00:20, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

I do not appricate you calling my edit "vandalism" if you carry on like that I will report you for breaches of NPA and CIVIL.--Vintagekits 00:07, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
Report me - I am simply stating the blatantly obvious - the campaign from both you and padraig3uk has gone on for long enough. It is obvious that neither of you will listen to reason, nor are interested in actually improving the articles. Jonto 00:20, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
Jonto you are pushing the barriers of good faith to the limit and breaching both WP:NPA and WP:CIVIL please refrain from this and discuss the issue. You yourself have argued that the flag should be called the Ulster Banner but now and calling it the Flag of Northern Ireland. We are discussing the issue of the talk page, please join in.--Vintagekits 00:28, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
Jonto, we are trying to improve the articles, but yourself and others are trying to impose a bias POV on these articles, the facts speak for themselves, the UB cease to be an Offical Flag in 1972. So how are we not listening to reason, the facts don't support your arguements.--padraig3uk 00:26, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
Once again - no one is claiming the NI flag is 'official' by government - but to deny that it doesn't currently represent NI at all is just FARCICAL - now please stop this petty campaign at once - use your time more usefully and go and add something of value to other articles. Jonto 00:42, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
this is another breach of WP:NPA - please stop and discuss the subject in a rational manner. regards--Vintagekits 00:31, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
Once again - please report me. I have been involved discussed the manner rationally for months upon end - your "discussions" are simply going around in circles and filling talk pages with material that is not useful at all to anyone who wanta to improve the articles. Please stop trying to quote WP's 'rules' every time you attempt to make a point - it's becoming rather repetitive and you are also forgetting Wikipedia:Ignore_all_rules.
Above all, you have not provided any reliable sources to support your position, contrary to the fact that there are umpteen multiple sources indicating NI's flag as the "UB". Jonto 00:42, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Block

You have been blocked from editing for violating Wikipedia policy by making a personal attack on another editor. If you believe this block is unjustified you may contest this block by replying here on your talk page by adding the text {{unblock|your reason here}}. You may also email the blocking administrator or any administrator from this list instead, or mail unblock-en-l@mail.wikimedia.org. You called Vintagekits a "vandal".[1] You then refused to accept assurances of good faith and called both him and Padraig3uk "trolls". It is quite clear in the preceding talk where you left that comment that they have a very strong argument for their case. You were previously blocked for 24 hours less than a month ago for again making an unprovoked personal attack on Vintagekits.[2] Conduct like this will not be tolerated. Please comment on the argument. Do not insult other editors. This block is for 3 days. Tyrenius 02:24, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Block again

You have been blocked from editing for violating Wikipedia policy by continuing to make personal attacks. If you believe this block is unjustified you may contest this block by replying here on your talk page by adding the text {{unblock|your reason here}}. You may also email the blocking administrator or any administrator from this list instead, or mail unblock-en-l@mail.wikimedia.org. You have left a post[3] and an edit summary[4] which are not acceptable. Please study WP:NPA, WP:CIVIL and WP:BLP. I recognise there is an edit dispute, but the way to resolve this is through WP:DRV. This block is for a week. Please come back and follow proper procedures. Tyrenius 01:55, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

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