Talk:Jonathan Avildsen
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"You know it!"Buzda 07:08, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
[edit] POV
From the second paragraph: "while nation-wide, envious males copied Snake's leather jackets and Chia Pet hairstyle." It's not only not neutral, it's false. Jon the Geek 23:24, 10 April 2006 (UTC)
Can you prove otherwise? I saw plenty of those jackets and hairstyles back then. I just assumed they were all fans of Snake. It's not like I would take the time to ask each and every one of them. Mwoelfle 13:05, 13 May 2006 (UTC)
Why is there a "citation needed" after the sentence regarding the "You know it!" quote? The source for this quote, The Karate Kid III, is given in the body of the text. No further citation is needed. Mwoelfle 13:08, 13 May 2006 (UTC)
- That paragraph makes two assertions.
1) Avildsen is known for his "leather jackets and Chia Pet hairstyle of Snake from The Karate Kid, Part III." That is, that role made him known for that, and that made him famous
2) "The catch phrase, "You know it!", also came from this role." I want a reliable source that says this is a catch phrase, and that the phrase is known due to this movie.
Copysan 17:41, 13 May 2006 (UTC)
1) I don't agree with the editing job in the first sentence either. That's not how the original text read. The "citation needed" was placed after the second sentence, however. It didn't belong there. It could conceivably be placed after the first sentence, but it's probably better to rewrite the sentence altogether.
2) As there is no accepted definition of what a "catch phrase" is, how can one possibly prove what you're asking? I direct you to the imdb message boards for The Karate Kid, Part III, where you will see that this phrase is, by a wide margain, the most widely quoted from the movie. If you can provide some mathematical threshold for its utterance that must be passed before it can be considered a "catch phrase" please do so. Otherwise, I am still unconvinced that such a claim needs a citation. Mwoelfle 16:12, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
[edit] POV 2
I consider the revisions by User:Jackman69 to be quite POVed. If you look on his talk page, you'll see much of the same complaints which will be listed here. Also, please see the above for a prior POV debate. Here are some examples of what I believe to be POV, with the boldest parts to be the violating term.
- Clearly, Jonathan's role as Snake in The Karate Kid, Part III marked the pinnacle of his career.
- As the cackling flunkie to "Karate's Bad Boy" Mike Barnes, Jonathan brought a vitality to the role of Snake that would have been regarded as that film's premier performance had it not been for Thomas Ian Griffith's Brando-like turn as Cobra Kai kingpin, Terry Silver.
- Who amongst us can forget the dashing figure Jonathan cut in his canary yellow Cobra Kai t-shirt? Tales abound of theater-going women struck with the vapors as Jonathan terrorized a trembling Ralph Macchio (as Daniel Larusso), while nation-wide, envious males copied Snake's leather jackets and Chia Pet hairstyle.
- Like other famous cinematic utterances, such as "I'll be back," and "Frankly my dear, I don't give a damn!" Jonathan's catch phrase, "You know it!" from his role as Snake, has a permanent place in the American lexicon.
None of these statements are sourced and represent a neutral point of view. Please read WP:NPOV. Copysan 07:45, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
(personal attack removed)
- Stop the POV (or add some reliable sources) and the attacks, and I'll stop the reverts. Copysan 01:41, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
