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[edit] Mediation

I thought that our dispute when unsettled for too long, so I decided to ask for mediation. I think it might settle it for good. Go to the page that's linked at the top of your talk page and agree to the mediation -- Jolb

While I agree to mediation, I thought this issue was behind us. It is not the mediation committee's job to resolve the issue, but only to help us resolve it. I fear that your efforts in this matter would be better focused on additions and refinements to articles rather than being a majordomo for the cause of your DXM community peers. The same arguments that they provide to support their views would also label amphetamines as "psychedelic". The end result would be to render the term completely meaningless... is this your intention? May I ask if Robert F. Golaszewski is one of the people behind this effort? --Thoric 19:52, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

I don't think the issue is behind us, Thoric. I was never really convinced by your citations, as I feel all but two are three don't actually support you. My sources are more numerous, more respectable, and much more clear. Plus, I have no intention of using "psychedelic" as a term to describe any specific drugs. I think that it would be better to divorce the term from classifying drugs altogether, since psychedelic experiences have less to do with neurochemistry and more to do with self-knowledge and spirituality. Also, I'm not going to pretend that I know who Golaszewski is... :-P. He has nothing to do with my argument, as far as I know. Jolb 20:05, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

I beg to differ. I believe my sources far more respectable. Quality is more important than quantity. I also believe that the term "psychedelic drug" has a well established meaning, which you and others are attempting to obscure. I have tried to be curtious and respectful of your contributions, and have complied with all of your requests. How do I know that you are not Golaszewski himself, or that he is this "friend" of yours supplying you with references? --Thoric 20:24, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Psychedelics

Psychedelic are not addictive because they do not stimulate the dopaminergic system (and really you can't find anybody who is addicted to acid). the word pleasurable is a bit vague and misleading. Movies are not addictive in the same way that psychedelics are not addictive because eventhough they are enjoyable they do not produce pleasure, in contrast to sex and cocaine. saying that all drugs can cause psychological addiction and is very misleading if not political. If psychedelics would stimulate the dopaminergic system the concept of a bad trip would be inplausible (you never heard of anyone having a bad trip on cocaine or meth, have you?). Let The Sunshine In 17:13, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Re: RFM

Sorry for taking so long to get back to you. I had missed your posting the the talkpage of the RFM project page, or I would've responded sooner. My apologizes. Cases are picked up by mediators as they have spare time, there is no formal process to how cases are assigned. If it doesn't get picked up in the next day or so, I'll poke the mediators on the mailing list to see if I can get one of them to begin it. Sorry for the delay. ^demon[omg plz] 07:04, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

Hey, I'm taking this case. I'd appreciate it if you could provide me with an e-mail address (you can mail it to me if you have security concerns) as I prefer to work over e-mail, if that is okay. Thanks. —Xyrael / 07:47, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] RE: WP:PDD Mediation

Apologies for my lateness; I've been a bit busy and so need to take some time to get my head round the dispute thus far. Thank you for your patience, and for poking me :) —Xyrael / 16:53, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

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