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Created: 02:08, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

Contents 1 Velvet Underground 2 Voldemort / Morphin Gaunt 3 Assessment 4 My Questionable Information 5 Subst-ing {{spoiler}} 6 Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Harry Potter characters birthday list 7 Articles 8 Untitled 9 Requiem for a Dream 10 Hagrid 11 Hogwarts Houses 12 Page unprotection 13 Harry Potter talk page edits 14 Inactive List 15 grednforge222's suggestion 16 Harry Potter AfD page 17 Untitled 18 Wirral Grammar 19 FYI 20 A note on Dead-end Pages 21 Don Yenko 22 Krzysztof Celestyn Mrongovius 23 Copyright violation 24 The Velvet Underground timeline 25 Canvas Holidays 26 Your edits to Jake thro 27 IDEA, ACL 28 Audit Command Language 29 Daniel Terdiman 30 Re: Popups 31 Towers

Velvet Underground

I apologize for the improper editing procedure I followed in editing this article on December 28th. I read your comments and will read all the applicable editing guidelines before adding to articles again. Hopefully responding to you on this forum is correct.Almightybooblikon 22:36, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

Voldemort / Morphin Gaunt

You reverted a change I made regarding Voldemort's framing of his uncle, Morphin Gaunt, for the murders of the Riddle family.

On the one hand, yes it is merely "possible" that Voldemort's first impression of his uncle was one of revulsion, and this is indeed speculation. I believe it to be informed speculation, and also that some attempt be made to explain Voldemort's (or Tom Riddle's, as he then was) attitude to his forebears.

The murder of the Riddles is almost casually explained as a result of their being Muggles. There most probably was some reason other than mere convenience to explain for Tom Riddle to condemn his uncle to Azkaban and try to obliterate any memory of Morphin's which indicated Riddle's ancestry. HLGallon 11:56, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

Okay, it's still speculation though. It's a fairly trivial detail that just adds length. John Reaves 15:03, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

Assessment

I don't think there is, but it can probably be done with AWB. Mathbot just sees their assessment and creates a table and log. Not that many left though surely? Thanks for your help, RHB 22:33, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

My Questionable Information

Information regarding the coincidences between World War II and Rowling’s wizarding world should be mentioned. I am trying to make wikipedia users and Harry Potter fans smarter.Mdriver1981 04:09, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

Not it should not, it is original research. John Reaves 04:10, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

Subst-ing {{spoiler}}

Hey John, just wanted to let you know that it's probably ill-advised to subst the {{spoiler}} template, as I have seen you doing. Cheers, Fbv65edel / ☑t / ☛c || 19:12, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

Okay, thanks for the warning. I was actually looking for some sort of guideline last night and couldn't find one. John Reaves 19:15, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Harry Potter characters birthday list

I've restored and redirected, but if you still are upset at closing you can take it to WP:DRV. Yanksox 23:00, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

Thanks. John Reaves 23:01, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

Please don't lecture me on consensus. I understand consensus and strength of argument. Please don't hide behind sheer numbers and attempt to force intimidation. Yanksox 23:19, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

Sorry if I sounded like I snapped, but it takes time to read, understand, and contextualize AfD discussions. Yanksox 23:27, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

Articles

Thanks for telling me. I'm going to have to find the opportunity to make sure the Students article gets properly merged. Well done for complaining about the birthday list: Yanksox seems rather high-handed. As for the list/whatever-it-was that my name was on, it was a reference to cattlegirl, who left a message on my talkpage regarding Severus Snape. Though I really don't understand why it had been considered noteworthy anywhere else... Michaelsanders 01:34, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

Untitled

I meet 2 of these categories required:

1. Has had a charted hit on any national music chart. YES I HAVE.

1. Has been placed in rotation nationally by any major radio network. FEEL THE RHYTHM WAS IN ROTATION NATIONALLY.

ALSO, MY EXISTENCE BY OUTSIDE SOURCE CAN BE VERIFIED:

http://www.popinstituut.nl/biografie/def_la_desh___the_fresh_witness.13954.html

Wendy Alane Wright Wendyalane 02:44, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

Requiem for a Dream

If you review my edit history, you'll see I'm not a vandal. I found the soundtrack track listing unnecesary for the page, and removed it. I don't consider that vandalism. Evan Reyes 09:22, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

Hagrid

In CoS, Riddle says that Dumbledore persuaded Dippet to train Hagrid up as gamekeeper. In GoF, Mrs Weasley remembers Ogg, the previous gamekeeper. Groundskeeper is not mentioned. That title is, however, used as part of Keeper of Keys and Grounds in PS. It is not specified if they are separate jobs or different names for the same job - however, a gamekeeper is in charge of a property's lifestock (i.e. the forbidden forest creatures etc), whilst a groundskeeper is a glorified gardener. Michaelsanders 14:01, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

Hogwarts Houses

I was sent a message that I contributed something inappropriate to Hogwart's.

I've never been there, and have no knowledge of any of it.

Mike. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 220.253.52.167 (talk)

Page unprotection

Okay, done. =) Nishkid64 17:08, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

Harry Potter talk page edits

According to this, we're apparently famous. And once again, Lapinmies has put back the argument. Although it is almost 3 am in the morning for me, I originally read it at around 7, and I still can't understand what argument he/she is trying to get across. Hope you have better luck. Disinclination 08:48, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

Inactive List

It shouldnt do - go ahead. RHB 22:19, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

grednforge222's suggestion

i suggest that you go to muggles' guide to harry potter on wikibooks.org, one of wikipedia's sister projects. it is a very big development and a great resource. it would be nice to have more contributers, and you seem really into harry potter. just so you know, i'm not any sort of authority in muggles' guide. you can talk with withfocus, the head of the project.

~GREDnFORGE222 18:21, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

Harry Potter AfD page

Hey John, since we disagree on the use of the AfD page, I figured I'd bring this up for discussion before we get into a revert war. I think we're losing sight of the purpose of the AfD page. The reason why the page was kept sparse is because this is just an information page to let people know when there are HP pages nominated for deletion. When nomination is closed, we no longer need to pay attention to it. Keeping the history around just clutters up the page and brings the focus away from nominations in progress. We've gotten grief in the past from other Wikipedians because they feel that letting other people in the HP Wikiproject know about the nominations means we're trying to rally up the troops to get an article kept when in reality, we all differ on the notability of articles, but this page is supposed to bring the discussion to people who have a better idea about the article in question. Putting up a "history" seems to glorify the page and opens us up to criticism. Various Wikiprojects have similar AfD pages, and most of them keep the history out. For those of us who want to know whether an article was deleted or kept, the history of the AfD page should more than suffice. Please take a look at the article history to see how this page was used prior to December, that's the ideal use of a Wikiproject AfD page. Thanks for reading this, Deathphoenix ʕ 14:46, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

Thanks, John! I wasn't sure if my explanation was incoherent (when I read it again, I even got a little confused!), but I'm glad you got my meaning. Don't worry about causing trouble for the Wikiproject, our usual response to criticism is to change the pages so that they conform to policy (take a look here for an example)... this is just a bit of preemptive action on our part. :-) --Deathphoenix ʕ 21:29, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

Untitled

John there is a problem on the Kentucky page. Stevetheman has self disignated Kentucky as an East Central state in dispute with the source I've given which is the U.S. Census Bureau amd the Department of labor which labels Kentucky an East South Central State. There is also a 2 to 1 concensus on the page that the Census Bureau (The Officials) should hold more merrit over Encarta, which doesn't even site this source. Please view how one sided Stevetheman is on this subject.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Louisvillian (talk • contribs).

John this whole East Central part was added by Stevetheman. I pointed out that it was inaccurate and misleading, by which it suggest that Kentucky is in that unofficial region. Maybe you and Steve are pals or something, anyways I just wanted to try to set the record straight that this whole time I've been using a credible (or I should say more credible source), than what he was providing. Not to mention that there is a Wiki page for this region.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Louisvillian (talk • contribs).

The issue, to me, isn't sources, it's the readability of the article and presenting the information in a clear and readable manner.

Wirral Grammar

I'm not going to pretend that you just 'happened' to stumble across this article. Stop spying on my edits, please. Michaelsanders 10:11, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

FYI

{{db-repost}} only applies to articles that have been deleted after discussion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion (or Redirects for deletion, Categories for deletion, etc.) It doesn't really apply to recreations of speedy-deleted articles like Qwux. In a lot of these cases, of course, the original reason for deletion is still relevant. Cheers, FreplySpang 08:38, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

A note on Dead-end Pages

Since you commented on the Dead-end Pages talk page, I thought I'd give you a heads-up on some updates that are going on. Bluemoose left Wikipedia and he was the one who seemed to be in charge of updating the page. Apparently it has to be done manually; it's not generated on-the-fly. A different talk page for this is Wikipedia talk:Dead-end pages. User:Salad Days did a fairly recent scan of the database and came up with some 11,000 pages. You can find these at User:Salad Days/Sandbox 4 if you are interested. I'm hoping this will get on a more regular schedule. Cheers. --Pigman^{talk • contribs} 01:41, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

Don Yenko

Since you know more about Harry Potter, Greenpeace or Toyota Prius than Chevrolet's (or crappy American cars in general), I assume why you think my Don Yenko article is some kind of random redneck advertisement from PA, USA? Now you aim your wand and said AVADA KEDAVRA to my recently created article....

YENKO is a recognized famous people (see my added plane crash info website or Find a grave). In addition EVERY Chevy/Car buff knows him. Just go to Ebay and type Yenko Camaro and these cars already cost merely $40,000, yes for a piece of American junk made in 1960's..it shows people are willing to pay for Yenko Camaro. In addition he got more brain cell than worthless Lindsay Lohan! Jbrian80 09:59, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

Maybe you should remove Don Yenko from this article, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Find-A-Grave_famous_people/Y (BTW I didnt add his name, its already there. I just added his vbirth year) How many times I tell you he is a famous person! Oh yeah my so called personal attack, is not even an attack, just my "assumption" that you are clueless about Chevrolets and its history! Jbrian80 10:28, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

You're right I should have be more specific and mention those related article in the first place instead of calling you clueless (other irrelevant things I mention before) about Chevy's. (Sorry, I regret saying that for some it could be personal attack after all, I overreacted) (EDIT: For some reason I log out. Now you know my IP) Jbrian80 11:58, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

Krzysztof Celestyn Mrongovius

John, please do not removed content from the article and do not reinsert the db-empty tag. If you took a minute to look at the history of the article, you'd notice that I've just created it and I'm working on it. Also do not throw "vandalism" accusations around that lightly. Thanks. --Lysy^talk 10:19, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

Copyright violation

Hi John. Yu wrote "No one has proposed that its existence at the HP Wiki is a reason for deletion. Please provide a few links to what you believe to be copyright violation on my talkpage. John Reaves 07:51, 8 January 2007 (UTC)"

I consider http://harrypotter.wikia.com/wiki/Minerva_McGonagall to be an example of a copyright violation. Its content is entirely derived from Rowlings works. At any time, Rowling or her publisher could act on it. To avoid a work being a copyright violation because it is a derivative work, it must be somehow "transformed" (a technical word that seems to be used). An intersersed commentary seems sufficient.--SmokeyJoe 08:32, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

Hi John. You wrote:

The article in no way prevents Rowling from profiting from or furthering her success from the series. It's merely a synopsis and commentary on the character. There are no text lifts or reprints of copyrighted material. Using your guidelines, most of the HP articles could be deleted. John Reaves 08:37, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

I do believe it is a derivative work. Yes, most of harrypotter.wikia.com could be accused of being copyright infringement. That was my point. One day you might find it all gone.--SmokeyJoe 10:50, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

You wrote:

I was refering to the HP articles on Wikipedia, most of them are the same or similar. In fact, many of the articles at the Harry Potter Wiki or direct copies that have been "dewikipediafied". So using your logic, the articles here, at Wikipedia, should be delted as well. John Reaves 14:41, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

I disagree that most are the same. Similar, maybe, but it takes very little comment to break the "derivative work" arguement. (Unfortunately on wikipedia, doing so violates "No Original Research".) Anyway, I don't see the copyright issue as nearly so serious on wikipedia, and anyway, articles can be fixed. They need not be deleted. There is also no need for pre-emptive deletion, even on wikia, because for a derivative work violation to occur, someone has to complain, especially where the alleged infringer is not attempting to profit.--SmokeyJoe 22:01, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

The Velvet Underground timeline

Hello John, sadly you removed the timeline before I had a chance to argue its continued existence in the talk page (should have done it the other way around). See my argument on the talk page. -- Curt Woyte 09:13, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

Canvas Holidays

I whave deleted all the contents - how do I delete the whole link?

I personally thought it wasn't advertising but fair enough

and apologies for removing the tag - I thought the hold on should replace that

—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Seanfulton (talk • contribs) 16:02, 8 January 2007 (UTC).

Cheers... that'll teach me for trying to get an article done in my break at work! :-)

Your edits to Jake thro

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Note: I was reverting a speedy deletion tag and was unaware of the spamJohn Reaves

IDEA, ACL

Hi!

I wrote some lines about IDEA, for sake of fairness. IDEA and ACL are both so called generalized audit softwares. I was astonished that there was an ACL advertisement in Wikipedia:

(1) ACL is a global leader...,

• • • well it might have biggest market share...

(2) Since 1987, according to annual surveys conducted by the Institute of Internal Auditors, audit professionals consistently recognized ACL as the market leader in computer-assisted audit technology.

• • • ACL is a big sponsor of The the Institute of Internal Auditors (IIA), and The IIA has actively promoted ACL; the survey results have been presented not impartially. IDEA has been dropped off from many comparisons, because not so many IIA memembers use it (as a result of partnership of The IIA with ACL)

(3) ACL - the Product

• • • This is presentation and pure marketing of ACL.

I suggest that if you want to delete the lines below about IDEA, you do the same with ACL.

"IDEA is a generalized audit software, a product of CaseWare-IDEA (www.caseware-idea.com). It has much the same functionality as ACL. IDEA's special strenghts are ability to import a wide range of files, scripting tool called IDEAScript (compatible with MS Visual Basic), and functions easy to learn for MS Excel users (much the same)."

Finally about CAATs (in Wikipedia). Please, read it carefully one more time. I have inserted in the article these lines:

"However, the CAATTs driven review is limited only to the data saved on files in accordance with a systematic pattern. Much data is never documented this way. In addition saved data often contains deficiencies, is poorly classified, is not easy to get, and it might be hard to become convinced about its integrity. So, for the present CAATTs is complement to an auditor's tools and techniques. In certain audits CAATTs can't be used at all. But there are also audits which simply can't be made with due care and efficiently without CAATTs."

The references are advertisement to a great degree.

No doubt you will have a very difficult task in keeping the encyclopedia as credible.

—The preceding unsigned comment was added by F2s (talk • contribs).

Audit Command Language

Reading the page as it now exists, I have to agree with you. The new tags are much more appropriate... I plan on cleaning up that problem when I get the chance (unfortunately, I am packing for a cross country move next week.)Balloonman 18:29, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

Daniel Terdiman

John, a few of us have been working on cleaning up the Daniel Terdiman article. I am not the original author; I look for articles to clean up in the deletion logs, cleanup pile, and ones posted as NPOV. I thought that this was worth the work to save. I hope that we have met standards sufficient for you to reconsider your delete decision.

Thanks,

Kevin

Thanks for taking the time to review our work. --Kevin Murray 03:14, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

--Kevin Murray 03:07, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

Re: Popups

Suppose you're looking at a number of diffs; e.g. a user made three edits and the last one is the most recent edit. In the history page you clicked "cur" next to the fourth edit so you could see the net effect of the user's edits. The diff that pops up says "Revision as of…" on the left and "Current revision…" on the right. You want to revert, so you hold your cursor over the diff on the left. The popup screen should appear and then you click on "rv". I don't think it's much harder than that, but if that doesn't work for you, try reinstalling popups. --Fbv65edel / ☑t / ☛c || 05:05, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

Towers

p.633, OotP: "When they reached the top of the Astronomy Tower...". This makes sense: the name of the thing is the 'Astronomy Tower'. You are welcome to check the other books if you want. Michaelsanders 15:36, 9 January 2007 (UTC)