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[edit] Jazz musicians category

Here is an explanation of my actions.

  1. I noticed there were some subcategories of the Jazz musicians category, including Jazz Guitarists, Jazz Bassists, and Jazz Pianists.
  2. I noticed the Jazz Guitarists subcategory was woefully incomplete.
  3. I added all the jazz guitarists I could find on Wikipedia to the Jazz Guitarists subcategory.
  4. Since there is no need for musicians to be listed on both the Jazz Musicians category and on the Jazz Guitarists category, since the latter is a subcategory of the former, I removed the guitarists' listings from Jazz Musicians category.
  5. I created a Jazz Saxophonists category using the same reasoning above. It is a subcategory of both Jazz Musicians and Saxophonists.
  6. I added all the jazz saxophonists I could find on Wikipedia to the Jazz Saxophonists subcategory.
  7. Since there is no need for musicians to be listed on both the Jazz Musicians category and on the Jazz Saxophonists category, since the latter is a subcategory of the former, I removed the saxophonists' listings from Jazz Musicians category.
  8. Since there is no need for musicians to be listed on both the Saxophonists category and on the Jazz Saxophonists category, since the latter is a subcategory of the former, I removed the jazz saxophonists' listings from Saxophonists category.

I'm sorry this upset you so. I was not aware I needed to consult with anyone before doing what I did. There were no discussions in the talk page for the Jazz Musicians category. If I'd known you'd be so upset, I certainly would have consulted with you prior to doing anything. Taco Deposit | Talk-o Deposit 14:56, Sep 7, 2004 (UTC)

Answered at User talk:TacoDeposit

[edit] Article Licensing

Hi, I've started a drive to get users to multi-license all of their contributions that they've made to either (1) all U.S. state, county, and city articles or (2) all articles, using the Creative Commons Attribution-Share Alike (CC-by-sa) v1.0 and v2.0 Licenses or into the public domain if they prefer. The CC-by-sa license is a true free documentation license that is similar to Wikipedia's license, the GFDL, but it allows other projects, such as WikiTravel, to use our articles. Since you are among the top 2000 Wikipedians by edits, I was wondering if you would be willing to multi-license all of your contributions or at minimum those on the geographic articles. Over 90% of people asked have agreed. For More Information:

To allow us to track those users who muli-license their contributions, many users copy and paste the "{{DualLicenseWithCC-BySA-Dual}}" template into their user page, but there are other options at Template messages/User namespace. The following examples could also copied and pasted into your user page:

Option 1
I agree to [[Wikipedia:Multi-licensing|multi-license]] all my contributions, with the exception of my user pages, as described below:
{{DualLicenseWithCC-BySA-Dual}}

OR

Option 2
I agree to [[Wikipedia:Multi-licensing|multi-license]] all my contributions to any [[U.S. state]], county, or city article as described below:
{{DualLicenseWithCC-BySA-Dual}}

Or if you wanted to place your work into the public domain, you could replace "{{DualLicenseWithCC-BySA-Dual}}" with "{{MultiLicensePD}}". If you only prefer using the GFDL, I would like to know that too. Please let me know what you think at my talk page. It's important to know either way so no one keeps asking. -- Ram-Man (comment| talk)

[edit] Delisle

Yes, this article needs some work (like so many others). I am quite familiar with the controversy and I read most newspaper and magazine articles on the subject. Unfortunately, most of my sources are (obviously) in French.

Translating from my native language to English is quite demanding intellectually and I have very little time for Wikipedia nowadays. I hope to be able to get to it eventually. If only there were more than 24h in a day! If I could quit my job and work full time on Wikipedia, I'd be very happy! :-)

Ideally, we should begin by writing a chronology of events and find all the opinions that were published on the subject. This would really help.

A good way to start is to type "esther delisle site:vigile.net" in www.google.ca. -- Mathieugp 21:08, 4 Mar 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Métis people (Canada)

HI John - put it down to my ignorance of Canadian French. :) rossb 22:21, 4 Mar 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Intercounty Baseball League

It was the language "The league is independent – that is, none of its teams is affiliated with a major league baseball team." that led me to believe that the article was trying to imply that the league was a professional league and that its players have a chance to move up to the majors. These are amateurs -- they probably drink beer while they're playing. RickK 02:05, Apr 12, 2005 (UTC)

Are you sure they get paid? The Google search I did referred to it as an amateur league -- and it's the league's official site. - "Major amateur adult league in southwestern Ontario" - http://www.icbaseball.com/. RickK 02:22, Apr 12, 2005 (UTC)

Well, like I said, I posted it on the Canadian Wikipedians' page, hopefully some more Canadian eyes will be helpful.  :) RickK 00:35, Apr 14, 2005 (UTC)

I hope you don't think it's some kind of anti-Canadian, anti-baseball or anti-minor league bias, because I've done a lot of work on a lot of baseball league and team articles. I had never heard of this league and when I saw that "amateur" designation on the website, that's when I decided to list it for deletion. RickK 02:39, Apr 12, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Louis Riel

Hi John, a long time ago, you made a contribution to the Louis Riel article, and added a bit attributed to J.M.S. Careless. Well, I worked on the article quite a bit, and now LR is up for featured article candidacy (see Wikipedia:Featured_article_candidates#Louis Riel). And I'm trying to find a reference for Careless's comments... can you help me out? Fawcett5 21:55, 16 Apr 2005 (UTC)

John, thank you for the information. Cheers, Fawcett5 11:56, 18 Apr 2005 (UTC)

John, thanks for your gracious comments about Riel. I intend to turn my attention to Red River Rebellion next - I too think it is pretty arguable whether or not it should be called a rebellion, since in that case there was not really any constituted authority. I will definitely deal with the issue. Much of what is there now was actually taken from a previous version of Louis Riel, but his article was getting to big so it got moved. But according to MoS guidelines, the name of the article should probably be retained, because this is undeniably the most common way of referring to the events. Regards, Fawcett5 16:07, 18 Apr 2005 (UTC)

By the way, if you liked the Louis Riel article, you might consider giving it a nod of support on the FA candidate page: Wikipedia:Featured_article_candidates#Louis Riel Fawcett5 16:21, 18 Apr 2005 (UTC)

[edit] A. LaFontaine

Yeah, that's pretty obviously DW, but I was waiting until he started doing something stupid again. I'll check it out, thanks. Adam Bishop 4 July 2005 16:08 (UTC)


So John is a bit of a poet
Using his user page to ensure we all know it.
But finding words that do rhyme
can take a hell of a time
Get it wrong and you can easily blow it.

Sorry. I couldn't resist. :p FearÉIREANN\(talk) 5 July 2005 03:59 (UTC)

[edit] DW

Hey John, re DW's latest incarnation. The user in question is permanently banned. If you are convinced that it is him Wikipedia policy is that all his edits, no matter what their quality should be reverted. All articles created by him should be instantly deleted and he could be instantly blocked permanently. I thought we had seen the last of that asshole. But obviously not. Oh well. FearÉIREANN\(talk) 5 July 2005 04:05 (UTC)

[edit] Good job

Good job on the Ester Delisle article.

I admire the patience you had to read all (or most) of the opinions published on the controversy. After reading the article and I read in full the opinion of Gary Caldwell. Very instructive. This conforted me in my opinion that the whole thing was blown out of proportion by monkeys who call themselves journalists. ;-) -- Mathieugp 8 July 2005 19:19 (UTC)

[edit] Image:US highlighted map2.jpg

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[edit] Whitby Dunlops

I see where you're getting at. Doing some research would be a good idea, especially if you know where to look. It is very difficult to find information on some of the old OHL teams. -- Earl Andrew - talk 22:06, 5 September 2005 (UTC)

Junior A Standings! nice! You should help write some OHL team histories with that info :) Keep up the good work! -- Earl Andrew - talk 21:36, 27 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Bringing Wikipedia to Toronto

I've been working on a bid to bring Wikimania 2006 to Toronto. I have contacted KMDI, an institute at the University of Toronto. They are very interested in partnering with us, and can get us a full range of U of T facilities for free. With this offer I think there is a very good chance of bringing Wikimania 2006 to Toronto. The only thing we currently lack are people willing to help out. I'm willing to do much of the work, but for the time being I am in Ottawa and having some people on the ground in Toronto will be necessary. We also need a number of people willing to assist at the actual event, likely the first weekend of August 2006. If you are interested in helping out sign up at Wikimania 2006/Toronto. Preliminary bids from various cities need to be made by Sept. 30, 2005, at which point a committee will choose which city gets to host the event. The number of people willing to help will certainly be an important consideration. - SimonP 16:33, September 6, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Athletic Fielding Skills

I was thinking mainly in terms of catching. Baseball tends to have more jumping and diving for catches where as in cricket catches tend to be closer to the body but usually just as hard to catch. I think there's more comitment to a catch by outfielders in baseball. In terms of throwing there is far more work put into it in baseball but perhaps more because of the nature of scoring than lack of gloves (a throw goes to the wicket keeper at least half the time anyway). I've found this reference that may help in the matter. I'll see if I can dig up any more references that we can put in. josh 03:45, 19 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Talk page etiquette

Good evening. I was trying to follow the discussion on Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style archive ("U.S." or "American"). While I think you might have some interesting points, I have to tell you that when you and LtDoc interweave your comments among each other, it becomes impossibly hard for anyone else to follow the conversation. It disrupts the logical flow of the other person's argument and it destroys the attribution (since you've broken the connection between the comment and the signature). If you feel you must rebut someone's comment point-for-point, the normal protocol is to start below the last comment in that thread, summarize their points and interweave your comments into the summary, leaving the original comments intact.

I've already asked LtDoc to return to the talk page and refactor his comments. Could I please ask you to do the same so that the rest of us will be able to follow and participate in the discussion? Thanks. Rossami (talk) 00:16, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] BS tag

1) You placed the tag on yourself, and you have it on your user page.

2) Its not a cheap shot. I merely concur with the tag, which is taken to be your own opinion.

3) My remark dint influence the debate at all, since it was done in a user page, not in the discussion page of the article itself, so I see no point in whinning about that.

4) It sounds more like the reason you decided to "leave the page" is because you lack arguments rather than anything else.

Cheers.200.244.240.41 15:10, 1 December 2005 (UTC)

oops, sorry, forgot to log in. Last comment by ~~LtDoc~~


Answered on buddy's talk page.

[edit] User categorisation

You were listed on the Wikipedia:Wikipedians by alma mater page. As part of the Wikipedia:User categorisation project, these lists are being replaced with user categories. If you would like to add yourself to the category that is replacing the page, please visit Category:Wikipedians by alma mater for instructions. --Cooksey 22:07, 11 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Ramsey Lewis, Jr.

Hi, I was wondering why you moved "Ramsey Lewis" to "Ramsey Lewis, Jr." (I know it was a long time and a name change ago :). Looking arround, it seems that about the only place he is called "Ramsey Lewis, Jr." is on Wikipedia and its mirrors. We usually have such articles at the most known name, rather than a birth name, so I'm not sure of the reason here. Hope you can help -- sannse (talk) 14:34, 18 December 2005 (UTC)

That's great - thanks for the help -- sannse (talk) 16:24, 20 December 2005 (UTC)


[edit] Porridge

Hi, I've removed for the moment the porridge=cold storage ref. This doesn't sound like rhyming slang (it doesn't rhyme for one thing ;) - can you source this?

-- Tomandlu 10:36, 4 January 2006 (UTC)

LOL, I don't think even cockney rhyming slang is versatile enough to use Canadian pronounciation...

All the best, Tomandlu 12:18, 5 January 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Box lacrosse

Hi John, Yes, happy to remove the disputed bit, it was just the number of periods thing that I was sure was in error. Cheers for your input, regards Luke (Lukeoz 11:23, 12 January 2006 (UTC))

I have added a photo from the Victoria Shamrocks site that shows a genuine box game (permission was given to use it). I have also written a bit more about the comparisons between indoor and box, and a bit more about where it's played around the world. Cheers 195.224.10.234 12:28, 13 January 2006 (UTC)

I think I found a floor plan image by looking up "box lacrosse" as an image search on Google Lukeoz 14:56, 13 January 2006 (UTC)

try this link boxla rules

[edit] Clarice McLean

I found this article randomly and noticed that it does not cite any sources. Please provide them. Thanx. TheRingess 07:24, 28 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks

Hey there, I just noticed that you reverted the pornographic edits to my user page. Just wanted to say thanks for catching them and reverting. Take care.

TheRingess 00:42, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Ackerley

John, Of course you're right about the technicalities of their relationship, and it should perhaps be changed to reflect that, as I guess my point is two interpretive ones: 1) The relationship is frustrated because it doesn't develop as the narrator would like it to, Johnny's whole approach to it and his marriage really hurt the narrator. 2)Especially after reading My Father and Myself I would have a hard time describing Johnny as bisexual, seeing him much more as an opportunist in the vein of the soldiers who prostitute themselves for money in the autobiography. That's a semantic quibble on the one hand, but on the other relates to first of my points about frustration. Even were Johnny not married it's impossible to consider him living happily ever after with the narrator. Regardless, neither point probably belongs on a wikipedia page of general commentary.

Best, Andrew --Ahpsp 14:29, 3 February 2006 (UTC)


John -- Agreed. I don't think combining these two would be a big task. The longer Ackerley article is very good I think.

--grimbleGrumble 19:27, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

John -- Will do. Could you point me to the article(s) showing how? Proposed method: I am going to retrieve some info from the shorter page and weave it into the longer one, then delete the shorter page -- or rather, I should leave it, and have it point to the new one. I'm not exactly sure how these wiki redirects work. Sorry, I'm new here, but appreciate your help! Thanks --

--grimbleGrumble 16:01, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

Also not sure what the proper wikipedia style is for initials like that -- one page is J._R._Ackerley, and the other is J.R._Ackerley...

--grimbleGrumble 16:03, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

John: I've merged the pages as you're no doubt aware. Hope you're pleased with the results. I've taken all the apposite material from the old page and moved it over and blended it in. I left the old stuff on the redirect page and it still shows in Edit mode. Best wishes.--grimbleGrumble 16:27, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

Be nice to have an image up there as well but there's copyright issues--grimbleGrumble 17:34, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

Yes, I had the same thought re: the pics from the 20s. I'll check as well.--grimbleGrumble 14:43, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia image copyright babble is too confusing. Fair use (e.g. book cover showing Ack) not ok?? --grimbleGrumble 16:51, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

JF: Done quite a bit of enjoyable work on Ackerley's page, with more still to go (later life, particularly.) Please take a look at your leisure. grimbleGrumble 19:11, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for your comments -- I think the article is a pretty decent one now. Still would like some more pictures though. grimbleGrumble 14:59, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Wikimedia Canada

Hi there! I'd like to invite you to explore Wikimedia Canada, and create a list of people interested in forming a local chapter for our nation. A local chapter will help promote and improve the organization, within our great nation. We'd also like to encourage everyone to suggest projects for our national chapter to participate in. Hope to see you there!--DarkEvil 02:07, 4 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Wallace Stevens

Because you have edited the article, you are invited to participate in an Editors Poll on the Wallace Stevens discussion page. --Halcatalyst 18:26, 26 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] David Rosenthal

Your article David Rosenthal has appeared in the Dead End Pages list because it is not wikified. Please consult the Wikipedia Guide to Layout for more information on how to write a good, wikified article. I would encourage you to revisit your submissions and {{wikify}} them. Thanks and happy editing! James084 16:03, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

  • Thanks for your reply, John. I should mention that when I am doing my preliminary scan on these articles I really don't read them that closely or get too deep in them. I pretty much open the article, open the history and send a standard message. I will take a closer look at this article, however, based on your comments. James084 16:47, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
  • I'm going to put the redirect to David H. Rosenthal back on this page. This David Rosenthal doesn't sound like he belongs here. James084 16:56, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Western colours

Well, it does say this:

"The University of Western Ontario colours thereby become white and purple (the correct order of colours in the crest wreath), or in the words of the University cheer, purple and white."

So you're right, apparently either way is correct. It's odd that they say the correct order in the wreath is the opposite of the heraldic description, but oh well. Adam Bishop 21:31, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Image Tagging

Greetings. From the description and use of Image:Softball diamond large.png, it appears you intended this media to be freely available. I took the liberty of applying a {{GFDL-presumed}} tag. Could you confirm this at by replacing my edit with {{GFDL-self}}? Regards, Dethomas 02:17, 15 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Tim Hortons

Hi, Skeezix -- I see you reverted my changes to Tim Hortons with the explanation "The comments in that section of the talk page have been responded to first -- please respond to those before blanking an entire section, esp. sourced material)". I assume some words got omitted. If you're saying I shouldn't change it till the comments in the talk section have been responded to, how long am I supposed to wait? As for the section being sourced, I think the section would be more to the point if it actually discussed what those sources claim about Tim's supposed iconic status (and, like, soon). As I've said elsewhere on the talk page, Tim's deserves a serious article, and the cultural fixture section is not serious.

Anyway, after removing the footnotes I reverted to your last version and won't touch the article till I get some advice from you. John FitzGerald 11:32, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

Hi there. You removed the entire section based on the original comments in the "Specific criticisms of the 'A Canadian cultural fixture' section" (which were not anonymous, they were posted by Ds13 according to the signature), but I responded to those comments on April 10. If you disagree with my responses, you should respond in turn, and we can all have that discussion.

Your comment of April 14 did not contain any specific criticims of the section -- you simply made broad allegations that the section was "no more defensible" and that Pierre Berton's comment was "questionable". You didn't address any of the specific points under discussion, nor did you substantiate your comments. Frankly, I figured you would elaborate at some point, and actually address some of the points made by Ds13 or point out other criticisms of the section.

I am always happy to discuss these issues with you. You always make such thoughtful comments. But I do believe that you should specify exactly what is problematic in that section of the article, and why. Especially since some of it is sourced. --Skeezix1000 11:51, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

Not a problem. Hope your recovery goes well. I am overwhelmed this week myself, so it may be a few days before I can think about it as well. --Skeezix1000 00:51, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

Hi. I've seen that you've posted a few comments, re. Tims. Haven't had a chance to really focus on it yet, but will as soon as I'm able. Hope all is well -- we'll talk soon. --Skeezix1000 13:13, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

That article link you posted on my talk page is interesting, and probably ought to be included with the other cites in the article.

I'm not sure where to go from here, though. I hear what you're saying about Pierre Berton, and I would agree that it's not authoritative. But the quote is notable and worthy of inclusion -- it's the opinion of a noted commentator and Canadian society and history. I'm not sure how further research on what makes a cultural icon would help either, because the article no longer claims that TH is an icon. Anyway, tell me what you think. --Skeezix1000 11:26, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Clan FitzGerald

Hey John, just over at Jtrl's talk page and noticed your FitzGerald query. The first of the name to arrive in Ireland was Maurice FitzGerald, in 1169. He, his brother Robert FitzStephen, their first cousion Prince Rhys ap Gruffyd of Dehurbarth and Richard, Earl of Clare, were the main protaganists aiding King Diarmaid MacMurrough regain his kingdom of Leinster. Maurice, Robert and their brother Henry FitzHenry were all sons of Nesta ferch Tewdwr, Princess of Deherubarth. She was (successivly) mistress of King Henry I (hence Henry FitzHenry), wife of Gerald of Winsor, Constable of Cardigan Castle (hence Maurice FitzGerald) and after his death was wife or partner to Stephen of Abergeveny (hence the FitzStephens).

For a quick overview see - http://www.welshdragon.net/resources/Historical/gerald.shtml but if you really want the full details I strongly reccomend "The Conquest of Ireland" by Gerald of Wales, edited by F.X. Martin. Fergananim 19:48, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Gloves and mitts

Heh, I had no idea they were different, or had different meanings. That article really has so much promise, but it's in a bit of sad shape - it reminds me of a group of drunken Americans meeting a group of drunken Brits in a pub, and each trying to convince the other that "their" sport is better. How silly to try and determine which sport permits more "athletic fielding". There are so many interesting comparisons to be made, no need to stoop to such a level... Stevage 20:29, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Re:reinforcement

The problem with Reinforcement is that people keep butchering the article.

I totally understand your frustration, having undergone similar experiences. My remark was not directed at you. Reinforcement is a complex concept generally misunderstood by the lay person. Good work for even trying! (And, actually the article was pretty good!) KarenAnn 14:41, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Canadian residential school system

From the article

"However, the First Nations people did not wish to be converted and were under little pressure from the European communities to attend the residential schools. Consequently, only few Aboriginals ever attended them. Most schools did not last over a decade."

The original version of the article gives the impression that the low attendance of aboriginals was due to "Little pressure " from the European communities which is incorrect. SO the sentence should mean something like " Inspite of the pressure from the European Community, the aboriginals resisted the conversion attempts. For that "slight" modification of some words are necessary there. Bharatveer 03:16, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

It is real funny you ask evidence for that. Bharatveer 04:37, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

From your post on my talk page :

" It's "funny" that I ask for evidence of your unattested statement? It's "funny" that I should be concerned about the accuracy of articles? As I have already said, in the seventeenth century there were hardly any Europeans in Canada, so it's reasonable to doubt that they could exert strong pressure. If you're so sure that they did exert strong pressure then I do not understand your reluctance to explain why you believe that "

I have already explained my "unattested statement". The words that you want to include i.e "little pressure" is totally against the logic of the article.You say it is reasonable to "doubt" the pressure because the europeans were very few at that time. But as we all know , there is nothing much in numbers of men , when the technological disparty was so high between europeans and native people. I dont need to provide any "evidence" for my correction that it was "strong pressure". The article fully supports my view. It was a total one sided genocide, both literally and culturally as well. Again if you want "evidence" just see the number of natives now. Bharatveer 13:28, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

Sigh. Answer at User talk:Bharatveer.

[edit] Throughbred racing project

A number of Wikipedians have come together and formed the WikiProject Throughbred racing to help to expand and better organise information in articles and categories related to the sport of thoroughbred racing. As a past contributor to horse racing articles, we invite you to consider becoming a participant in the project, and/or adding the page to your watchlist so that you become aware, and can join any future horse racing discussions, which may be of interest to you. Regards - Cuddy Wifter 23:32, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Avenue Road

In order to substantiate the comment you should provide a reference in the article. A comment in the talk page is insufficient. --Atrian 13:48, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

I presume 'paying for it' means you don't have AC, like myself. I get by with overhead fans. Last summer I seriously considered it but in the end I just coped. What activities take you beyond the personal? --Atrian 19:27, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
For myself, I participate in a number of ways. During the summer I lead a community stewardship team in the Don Valley. This is part of the late stages of environmental restoration, ie. maintenance of a restored site, weeding, watering, plant and animal surveys. During the fall and the spring I do tree plantings. I also sit on a few environmental committees, namely The Task Force to Bring Back the Don and the Board of Directors of Friends of the Don East. You probably see a trend here, my interest is currently the Don River, a highly degraded waterway in Toronto.
Getting involved is easy - determine your interests, find organizations in that field in your area, and then volunteer. If you're not an outdoors person, some also need office/computer help as well. If you live in the Toronto area I could even make some suggestions. --Atrian 19:52, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Languages

Hi There! Can you translate my name in what language you know please, and then post it Here. I would be very grateful if you do (if you know another language apart from English and the ones on my userpage please feel free to post it on) P.S. all th translations are in alpahbetical order so when you add one please put it in alpahbetical order according to the language. Thanks!!! Abdullah Geelah 16:09, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Environmental organizations

You wanted some recommendations on environmental organizations in Toronto. Here are a few:

  • Citizen's Environment Watch Environmental monitoring. They have several projects on the go.
  • Evergreen Urban environmental stewardship. They have teams in several parts of the city. They also have community gardens and schoolyard revitalization projects.
  • Toronto Community Stewardship Program This is the program I am involved in. They have several sites available in the Don, Humber, and Highland Creek watersheds.
  • Toronto Green Community Based in the Yonge/Eglinton area, they have several local projects on the go.
  • Toronto Bay Initiative Their focus is on the Toronto Harbour. Plenty of volunteers opportunities with them.
  • Friends of the Don East Another organization I am involved with. Right now they are looking for new members for their board of directors.
--Atrian 18:25, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Delisle-Richler controversy rewrite

Hello John. Just to let you know I began some serious work on the Delisle-Richler controversy here. It will ultimately be translated to English here as well. After all I've read on this sad subject, I am no longer sure that Delisle-Richler controversy is the good title. Maybe it should be named the Delisle-Richler-Scott controversy. -- Mathieugp 12:45, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Fair use

I guess that would be fair use. I can't pretend to understand Wikipedia's copyright rules though! Adam Bishop 15:24, 25 August 2006 (UTC)


[edit] WikiProject Lacrosse

I have created a proposal for a new WikiProject about lacrosse, and I thought you might be interested in joining. Please check out the temporary project page at User:MrBoo/WikiProject Lacrosse and sign your name if you are interested.

Thanks --MrBoo (talk, contribs) 02:17, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

I've created the real project: Wikipedia:WikiProject Lacrosse and I've added you as a member. Thanks for your interest! --MrBoo (talk, contribs) 04:17, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Intercounty Baseball League

Just came across the AfD of the IBL article, from last June. Poor AfD nomination. Good work defending its retention. And yes, IBL players have been getting paid under the table for years and the quality of play is generally considered to be at an A level. Deleting the article would have been a travesty. Beyond comprehension. See my comments on its discussion page. (The bit about drinking beer while playing is idiotic. After the game, sure.) Barry Wells 17:10, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

Ah yes, the London Lords. I've been thinking about adding their history but the article is already a tad too long. Perhaps a new article, or is there already one? Remember Jack Jacobs? Am going to the park tonight to open the Roy McKay Clubhouse during UWO's OUA baseball game against Toronto at 6 p.m. Best regards. Let's keep in touch. Barry Wells 17:25, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
Bob Ferguson's excellently researched book, Who's Who in Canadian Sport (3rd edition, Sporting Facts Publications, Ottawa, 1999, ISBN 1-894282-00-0) contains some good bio info on Indian Jack Jacobs. I'll start an article either today or tomorrow on him. Quite notable. He played for the NFL's Cleveland Rams, Washington and Green Bay, leading the NFL punters with the Packers in 1947. He was also a QB with the CFL Winnipeg Blue Bombers, 1950-1954; his CFL record is 709 of 1,330 passes completed for 11,049 yards; member of the CFL Hall of Fame.
Regarding the IBL, the London Majors alone have featured several ex-MBL players, including Frank Colman, Fergie Jenkins, Denny McLain, Mike Kilkenny and Dave Rozema. Plus Paul Spoljaric, Rob Butler, Oscar Judd etc. etc. Drinking beer while playing? Yeah, right. Barry Wells 17:47, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
Already is an article on Jack Jacobs. Can add to it. Barry Wells 17:54, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Human Potential Movement

Well, WP:PARA considers Parapsychology (ie, telepathy and whatnot) under our aegis. But now that I'm reading the article more, it never really specifies whether that type of thing is under their doctrine. Perhaps you can clarify that for me? --InShaneee 19:45, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

Ah, alright, that mention in the Roots section had me confused. Feel free to remove the Wikiproject template, then! --InShaneee 13:59, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

Awesome! We're going through a bit of a 're-launch' now that I've helped instate Collaboration, Peer Review, and Assessment departments, so now's a great time. If you have any questions about the project, feel free to ask me. :) --InShaneee 17:08, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Mediation Cabal

I don't know if there is way to appeal. I was disappointed at Victoriagirl's reluctance to even try to prove she was right. She may actually be right, the thing is we do not know for certain as none of us is knowledgeable enough to determine what does and what doesn't constitute fair dealing under Canadian law. Surely we can find a Canadian lawyer among the Wikipedians who could tell us. For the sake of the Wikipedia project, I think we should try to clarify this. Of course it is not such a big deal if we cannot link to Vigile.net. However, it would be stupid to act on false assumptions although I understand the need to play safe and protect Wikipedia from possible legal trouble. -- Mathieugp 17:59, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Quebec bashing

Thank you for your recent communication. I'm sorry you weren't able to participate in the Mediation Cabal. It was my hope that the process would promote both discussion and investigation, rather than a continuation, ad nauseum, of the debate found on the Quebec bashing talk page. I maintain that the linking to Vigile.net runs against official Wikipedia policy concerning copyright. In particular, it violates Wikipedia:Copyrights#Linking_to_copyrighted_works, which clearly states: "Linking to copyrighted works is usually not a problem, as long as you have made a reasonable effort to determine that the page in question is not violating someone else's copyright." I see no indication that such an effort has ever been made.

Now, it has been stated that I was opposed to contacting M Frappier of Vigile.net concerning this matter, but this in no way tied anyone's hands. Indeed, as I have pointed out I am but one person, neither judge nor jury, and wouldn't presume to suggest that my position should prevent a user from contacting any person or organization, whether it be Vigile.net, The Washington Post, or The Gazette.

My edit, done in good faith in the interests of Wikipedia as a foundation and as a source of accurate information, can easily be reversed. I encourage further investigation Victoriagirl 19:19, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

That's an interesting finding. As the article on Branchez-vous dates back to septembre 1998, we can only assume that A) Cedrom-SNI decided not sue after all B) they found some kind of an arrangement with Jean-Pierre Cloutier and Bernard Frappier. I think Bernard Frappier would again be resourceful here. Should we try to contact him or not? -- Mathieugp 22:55, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the your last message. As I've said, I don't think it is my place to say whom any user on Wkipedia can or should contact. Mathieygp is as good a "candidate" as anyone else. I would look into this myself, had I the time. Unfortunately, with a few papers coming due at school, I probably won't be around much during the next two weeks.

On that note, I should probably comment on the observations that I haven't myself researched legality or illegality of the Vigile.net pages in question. Although I wouldn't agree - I did read the relevant sections of Canadian Copyright Law (third edition) by Lesley Harris (Toronto:McGraw-Hill Ryerson, 2001) and 'The Copyright Act', both of which I forwarded as relevant to the issue - I will acknowledge that I didn't attempt to contact Vigile.net or the various copyright holders involved. In my defense, I must point out that the onus to undertake any sort of investigation is not on myself, rather it lies with those who seek to use the links ("Linking to copyrighted works is usually not a problem, as long as you have made a reasonable effort to determine that the page in question is not violating someone else's copyright."). Victoriagirl 17:38, 6 November 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Esther Delisle

Thanks for your attempt to edit the Esther Delisle article and the "Citation needed" notice. My question on your editing is why leave material incompatible with Wikipedia standards with a [citation needed] notice? These things should be dealt with as per: Wikipedia:Citing sources which says:

"Any material that is challenged and for which no source is provided may be removed by any editor."

Such removed material can be reinserted by any Wikipedia editor at any time with proper references or an online link to acceptable sources. But, beyond that, Gérard Bouchard's comments aren’t really relevant simply because her book is about abbé Groulx and the Quebec Elite's anti-Semitism and their outright support of fascism, the Vichy Regime and accommodation of war criminals. I was taught that for an encyclopedia unless statements in a book are proven factually wrong that alter the central issue and raison d'etre for the book itself, then it is not worthy of mention because both sides could be quoted endlessly on their unsubstantiated opinions. I certainly have respect for Gérard Bouchard, but in this case he only voiced an opinion on his perception of certain aspects of her book; he did not lay out any verifiable proofs in support of his opinions. But, that is minor. Bouchard has in fact stated he agreed with Ms. Delisle's precise conclusions and acknowledged Groulx's anti-Semitic "l'achat chez nous" policy and his anti-Semitic writings in countless articles and books such as his pedagogical novel L'Appel de la race (The Call of Race) as well as the many similar documented findings by others including Jean-Francois Nadeau and Gonzalo Arriaga, and Max & Monique Nemni, to name a few.

Your help in editing these things is greatly appreciated as to my surprise, I have found a large number of Wikipedia articles on "Quebec" issues without references of any kind and volumnious edits that are unsourced and appear to be either POV or original research. However, what bothers me most is the racist tone of some of these and the bigoted falsehoods such as was perpetrated in the article Speak White. It is an insult to the good people of Quebec. J Martin81 22:42, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Comparison between cricket and baseball

Be careful what you ask for. A close look at the efforts of that red-link user Thugchildz (talk · contribs · logs · block user · block log) shows that he's a cricket fanatic (which is not a problem in itself) and that he is constantly messing with articles in a questionable way, and uploading unsourced images in furtherance of that interest. (I wouldn't call him a vandal, just a tinkerer who doesn't quite "get it" yet.) Wahkeenah 13:21, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Original Research

Thanks for the response. I don't count my self to be an authority on wikipedia policy, as it has changed somewhat during the time I've been here. However, I have run into disputes on these topics from time to time, and my responses simply reflect my feeling about how the current system operates.

You mention the difference between reading into an editorial, vs. reading into the legal code, to which I would respond with a quote from WP:NOR:

" * Primary sources are documents or people very close to the situation you are writing about... Primary sources that have been published by a reliable source may be used in Wikipedia, but only with care, because it's easy to misuse them. For that reason, anyone—without specialist knowledge—who reads the primary source should be able to verify that the Wikipedia passage agrees with the primary source. Any interpretation of primary source material requires a secondary source.

  • Secondary sources draw on primary sources in order to make generalizations or original interpretive, analytical, synthetic, or explanatory claims. A journalist's analysis or commentary of a traffic accident based on eye-witness reports is a secondary source. A New York Times analysis and commentary of a president's speech is a secondary source. An historian's interpretation of the decline of the Roman Empire, or analysis of the historical Jesus, constitute secondary sources. Wikipedia articles should rely on reliable, verifiable, published secondary sources wherever possible. This means that we present accounts of views and arguments of reliable, verifiable scholars, and not the opinions of Wikipedians who have read the primary source material for themselves."

So I would note a stated preference for secondary sources, and a warning not to use primary sources without secondary interpretation. Also, I would note from WP:Verifiability:

"The threshold for inclusion in Wikipedia is verifiability, not truth."

So, in answer to your problems with the frequently problematic fact checking in newspapers, it isn't necessarily our problem. An effort should be made to be as accurate as possible, but I think that major newspapers qualify under Wikipedia:Reliable Sources, despite their lapses. Of course, if you know of specific factual problems, this should be highlighted, and dealt with. I'm not exactly sure what policy would be in the case of conflicting information from two equally reliable sources. Peregrine981 05:17, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Jimmy Heath

I have added a "{{prod}}" template to the article Jimmy Heath, suggesting that it be deleted according to the proposed deletion process. All contributions are appreciated, but I don't believe it satisfies Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, and I've explained why in the deletion notice (see also "What Wikipedia is not" and Wikipedia's deletion policy). Please either work to improve the article if the topic is worthy of inclusion in Wikipedia, or, if you disagree with the notice, discuss the issues at its talk page. Removing the deletion notice will prevent deletion through the proposed deletion process, but the article may still be sent to Articles for Deletion, where it may be deleted if consensus to delete is reached, or if it matches any of the speedy deletion criteria. Oo7565 02:49, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

I have removed the prod from this article. Subject seems notable enough for work with Miles Davis et al. If you are in disagreement with this supposition, please take the article to AfD. Bubba hotep 08:56, 15 February 2007 (UTC) copied from Oo7565's talk page
I have replied on my talk page. Sorry, I forgot to mention that this message was the same one I posted on the talk page of the person who put the ProD tag on the article and obviously, I realise you were not contending it! :) Bubba hotep 13:15, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Saint-Tite

(3 years later): "The town's name is also frequently the butt of anglophone jokes, since in most accents of Canadian French the i is short." : Sounds stupid and non-encyclopedic but, after years you just help me discovered what was so funny when I talked about my hometown... lol thanx.--Ecclecticus2 10:44, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] OR

Entertainers, particularly music groups, is definitely a good place to focus on improving the sourcing. Don't ask me why, but Wikipedia is used by a lot of local bands as advertising. Realistically, though, you can probably find OR on almost every article, the question is how much and the impact it has on the article. --Bobblehead 00:31, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Scotty Holt

I'm glad Scotty Holt is staying after I proposed its deletion (really, I think you haven't lived till you've heard the Jackie McLean Quartet with S. Holt), and I don't intend to contest its staying (see previous parenthetical observation), but perhaps you could clarify the criteria for me. I can't interpret any of the criteria at Wikipedia:Notability (music) as justifying inclusion if the musician played with someone notable. Since I'm open to the possibility that I may be misinterpreting, I thought I'd ask. If I am, perhaps the criteria could be made more specific (I have left a similar request with Bubba_hotep). John FitzGerald 14:24, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

  • The criterion is: "Contains at least one member who was once a part of or later joined a band that is otherwise notable; note that it is often most appropriate to use redirects in place of articles on side projects, early bands and such." I think this justifies an article about any individual musician who was once part of a notable band. --Eastmain 00:52, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Upper Canada College

Hi,

I've seen that, over four year ago, you've started the Upper Canada College. The article is now involved in a fight, and, since I was somewhat dragged in that (I was just doing RC patrolling... :-( ), I don't belive I'm still neutral. Can you please that a look at the recent issues and voice your opinion?

Have a nice day and Happy Editing by Snowolf(talk)CONCOI on 15:36, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Your message

Hello, my friend. I have not made any specific accusations against anyone. What I have written is that the title of the article is clearly in favour of bigotry, as we are not speaking of "criticism," but rather what is obviously racially-motivated prejudice. The issue at hand is the "bashing" of Quebec and her people, which is exactly what the core of the article is about. I have no way of knowing how much the original article has been compromised, as I have not gone through the history in full. The current title is absolutely unacceptable, and unless you and others are willing to seriously reconsider your actions - I have no idea if you yourself are responsible for this, but you speak of yourselves as a group, thus I will make a leap in assuming that this is true - and rename the article back to Quebec bashing or to the new title, Anti-Quebec sentiments. Otherwise I am loathe to even go near that debate again with a ten-foot pole. Bigotry sickens me, and I do not like to see such justifications. But again, if you are someone constructive, and there are others who are not anti-Quebec, then I am willing to help reach a simple compromise concerning the title and how the article is presented, so long as French language sources are given equal weight alongside English-language sources. But most important is the current title, which is absurd. Given Mathieu's response to me, I am of the opinion that Quebec bashing is best. Let me know your thoughts and we can take it from there. With thanks, Laval 07:48, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

You leave me a message stating that I have accused you and your "fellow contributors" (your words, not mine) of bigotry, despite the fact that I did not specifically mention anyone and directed my comments to those responsible for the article title and denial of anti-Quebec bigotry. Thus, I have no opinion of you or your edits, because I do not know you and have not seen your edits. I have already explained my position to you above, so you may wish to read my response again. Again, my words on the talk page were directed towards those responsible for the crap.
At any rate, the issue at hand is not anti-nationalist propaganda, but bigoted comments against Quebec and the francophone Quebec society, so-called "Quebec bashing." Nationalism is part of this only to the extent that it relates to francophone Quebec society and their self-identity, rather than the issue of sovereignty and secession. Nationalism and sovereignty are not one and the same, obviously, though the English-language media conflates the two.
Thus, I have no problems with legitimate criticism of any nationalist movement, Quebecois or otherwise. This is the Wikipedia, after all, so all viewpoints are meant to be represented fairly. I am as critical of nationalism as the next guy, though I am not against it as I feel the survival of culture and heritage is important, for all peoples - mind you, I am most definitely against any kind of jingoism. But "bashing" is a completely different story. If you are not one of those who was in favour of changing the title to this absurdity, why would you think my comment was directed towards you?
More absurdity can be found at Talk:Quebecois. User:Soul scanner has consistently wasted peoples' time with pointless and nonsensical arguments that have no merit. In the French Wikipedia, Quebecois redirects to Quebec. The fact that here it does not and simply presents a dictionary definition (see WP:NOT and WP:DICT) and has remained as such for this length of time speaks a great deal. Whatever erroneous meaning the English media have attributed to the term deserves at most a sentence or two in the Quebec article. This goes to the heart of what I am talking about.
Even more absurd are the comments by said user regarding "English Canadian" identity. Look at English-speaking Quebecer, for example. What Canadian or Quebecer, with the exception of those of British heritage, would identify as "English Canadian" or "English Quebecer"?? Think about it. I have never in my life heard anyone who was not of British heritage use such terminology. Yet this nonsense is being stated as fact, while the term "Quebecois" is constantly assailed as "nationalist" and "exclusive" and "ethnocentric" and on and on, even though it has the same meaning and context as "Canadian" or "American" or "Albertan" and "British Columbian" and so on.
The low quality of Quebec articles here is overwhelmingly bad, and from what I can see, "nationalists" are not the problem (where are the francophone or "nationalist" editors?) It is people who have an anti-Quebec mentality. For instance, compare with the level of quality at French Wikipedia. World of difference. Of course, some people will say that anything French can never be neutral or without bias. ;) Laval 14:07, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
I think you are missing the points I have been trying to make. Anyway, I have never seen any evidence that people whose origins are not from the British Isles call themselves "English Canadian." I have never seen the phrase used in connection with Italians, Russians, Indians, Chinese, etc. If you can show me some legitimate sources that back up your claims, I'll accept what you say as true. But I have not come across such sources. In all the discussions I have had with people in "English Canada" I have never heard so-called "ethnic" peoples (that is, the people ethnic Anglos consider "ethnic") call themselves "English Canadian." And yes, I do believe that "English Canada" is ethnic obsessed. Such an obsession exists in Quebec and France as well, but I do not think it is as common and widespread as it is among English-speakers. Generally speaking, French culture promotes full assimilation and integration. Regardless of what one's origins are, if one accepts the French culture and adopts it, one is as French as the next person. Nicolas Sarkozy and Napoleon are good examples.
Your comments about the media are correct, but only to a point. Media, like governments, are a reflection of the societies they claim to represent. Look at the CanWest Global empire. Neocon, pro-American and pro-Israel to the extreme, almost as biased as Fox News. Such views are incompatible with the mindset of many if not most urban Canadians, yet CanWest is able to thrive thanks to the smaller cities, towns, and rural communities that are suggestible to such propaganda. Same is true in Quebec with a party like Dumont's ADQ, though he is still a far cry from being a neocon (it would be interesting to be see if a victory would eventually reveal him to be one.) Laval 09:26, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
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